Re: [orca-list] ubuntu 13.04

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

Vinux is not overly simplified. I'm not sure what that even means since 
you're basically just running Ubuntu 12.04 with some configuration done 
for you and some things working out of the box and some inaccessible 
applications replaced by accessible ones and so on, but it doesn't 
change the fact that you're still running Ubuntu.

Just because you have users who need help running commands in the 
terminal has nothing to do with how overly simplified Vinux is. I see 
this same kind of struggle with users of Windows and the iPhone. Just 
because a user struggles with something doesn't mean the OS or the 
application is overly simplified. I don't think Linux is only for those 
who can master the command line anymore.

Of course Vinux isn't needed. It's never been needed. The world is full 
of distros customized for different users though. Just because someone 
wants to take advantage of a distro where some of the setup, 
configuration and installations have been done for them doesn't mean 
it's needed but it also doesn't mean it isn't worth while.

I feel sorry for those people on different lists who've reached out to 
you for help only to be met with such disdain. You obviously have a lot 
to offer. I know you've also asked for help on these lists and you've 
received it without being talked down to or treated with the same 
disdain you've shown to those who don't have your level of skills or 
experience.

On 04/27/2013 10:06 PM, Bill Dengler(arch Gnu/Linux) wrote:
> Vinux is oversimplified to the point that users write me off list and
> say that a message with commands for them to paste into a terminal
> window is "overly complicated".
> I know I'm bringing back the old "do we need accessible Gnu/Linux
> distros anymore" thread, but with the release of 13.04, we don't.
> Libreoffice reads, unity reads, if you don't like it switch to Gnome, if
> you don't like Ubuntu's Gnome switch to Arch or Debian or Fedora or Open
> Suse or whatever, if you think those distros have "overly complicated"
> install processes then deal with Ubuntu's modified and partially out of
> date Gnome or Unity.
> Bill
> On 04/27/13 22:20, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > I agree with you that there are accessibility issues with Ubuntu
> > 13.04, but I don't think the lack of menus for Accessories, Graphics,
> > Sounds and so on is an accessibility issue. It's not like sighted
> > users have access to those menus but blind users don't. It may be
> > something you don't like with Unity, but it's not an accessibility
> > issue. BTW, in Vinux there's an indicator which gives you the same
> > menu structure you're talking about. Maybe this indicator would do the
> > same thing in Ubuntu 13.04.
> >
> > On 04/27/2013 07:23 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > since there are some accessibility issues in ubuntu13.04 with unity for
> > > example there are no menus such as accessories, graphics and sounds and
> > > others... I went into a terminal and
> > > sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
> > > sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
> > >
> > > but orca is not speaking in gnome. the desktop speaks and also hitting
> > > alt+f2 won't run orca or it seems not to do so. I also used the fedora
> > > accessibility guide and typed this into a terminal.
> > >
> > > GSETTINGS_BACKEND=dconf gsettings set
> > > org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled true'
> > > Debian-gdm || true
> > >
> > > maybe I'm missing something or I entered something in wrong? I'm going
> > > to erase the ubuntu13.04 vm and try again from a fresh install maybe
> > > some packages were not installed correctly so gnome will talk. also is
> > > xfce or lxde accessible yet? if so I would prefer to use one of those in
> > > ubuntu13.04.
> > >
> > > josh
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > orca-list mailing list
> > > orca-list gnome org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > The manual is at
> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Christopher (CJ)
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