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Re: [orca-list] Sonar 12.10 is out

Hi.
Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I didn't find how to logout to activate gnome-shell. 
Thanks.

On 11/12/2012 06:03 PM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:

Great Peter! Glad you are all set. have a great day.

On 11/12/2012 02:53 PM, Peter VÃgner wrote:

Hello,
Yes this is like a dream.
It really works fine.
I am unable to find out the problem now.
Most likelly the main problem was that I have pressed alt+f1 and did
not wait enough time. In my virtual machine it takes up to 4 or 5
seconds for the overview to come up for the first time. Subsequent
calls of that commands are then working fine.
Maybe typing in or pressing other commands while waiting break something.
Okay tommorow I will install it inside a vm so I can experiment more
and then finally I will hopefully end up installing this to real machine.

Thanks and greetings

Peter


DÅa 12.11.2012 20:42, Josà Vilmar EstÃcio de Souza  wrote / napÃsal(a):

Press alt+f1 and then explore using ctrl+alt+tab.
You'll find the dash, the applications and etc.

On 11/12/2012 05:35 PM, Peter VÃgner wrote:

Hello,
I dont know what might have happened this time but I have rebooted host
machine, started VM again and now it all behaves accordingly to the
wiki
article written by Dave Hunt.
I am still running live session. It is amazing really. I will try boot
ing several times in a row if I will find the difference again.
I can browse the top panel including all the menus e.g. accessibility
menu, network menu etc.
I am unable to figure out how to access applications however this might
be a temporary bug Joanie has said is fixed for upcoming release.

Thanks for everyones patience.

Greetings

Peter


DÅa 12.11.2012 20:21, Josà Vilmar EstÃcio de Souza  wrote / napÃsal(a):

I don't know if this is the case, but there is a small probblem in
overview panel when it is activated for the first time.

When activated for the first time by pressing alt+f1 or the win key,
there is a delay before orca reads something.

On 11/12/2012 05:08 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:


As mentioned before, I am facing exactly the same problems.
Nothing works on the Gnome shell except the Orca window, as far as
speech feedback is concerned.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Tuesday 13 November 2012 12:21 AM, Peter VÃgner wrote:

Hello,
Thanks for nice clear and usefull write up. It is a verry good
reading
and the features and accessibility support it describes appear to be
so great that it made me to download this new sonar, so I can try it
out in a VM first.

I have booted sonar it played a greeting tone and orca came up
tallking. I did know that it originally booted into the gnome
classic
desktop. I am targetting gnome shell at this time however I was
curious newertheless and explored the classic gnome as well.
There are several icons on the desktop and it is possible t use
arrow
keys to navigate over them.
Hitting alt+F1 like we are used to from gnome 2 also opens a menu
which is fully accessible. Using alt+ctrl+tab to navigate over the
pannels works fine and using arrows to explore the menus works well
too.

Then I have found a system menu and inside it a logout entry in the
top pannel. Logging out was accessible.

The fact login screen appeared is also signalled by the clear sound
cue.
Hitting ctrl+s on the login screen starts orca and it is really
amazing. In ubuntu 12.04 I was newer able to get this part working.

I can then tab to the session options button. there are three
options
on this sonar live cd. Gnome, Gnome classic and gnome classic
with no
effects.
I have activated the first button saying gnome and then activated ok
button.
I then landed inside a password field on the login screen and hit
the
enter key to log in.

The login sound greeted me and after a little while orca started up
tallking. However from here I was able to do nothing. Pressing
windows+d to go to the desktop did not work I assume because I have
got no feetback from orca. However focus definatelly went away from
the orca main window where it was prior to hitting windows+d. Using
arrow keys to navigate did not help. using shift+f10 to bring up the
context menu did not work in this situation as well. I have tried to
press alt+f1, press escape, press alt+ctrl+tab, alt+tab and various
combination of these but I was unable to get a speech out this. I
was
even unable to return back to the accessible orca window. Pressing
alt+F2 and blindly typing in firefox followed by the enter key
did not
reviewed speech output either.

So I have decided to take another test drive, shutdown virtual
machine
and booted sonar again. I havent explored classic desktop this
time. I
have immediatelly logged out and then logged in using gnome.
I have not used windows+d to go to the desktop I have simply tried
alt+F1 and then typing in the search query. I was not getting spoken
feetback this time either. I then tried tabbing around, using arrow
keys to navigate, hitting ctrl+alt+tab but no speech again. I was
able
to retun back to the orca window after hitting esc key and then
alt+tab.
I am afraid I am doing something wrong or I am not following the
suggested reading to the letter because really I can get no spoken
feetback.

Might the problem be that on my machine virtual machine keyboard
clashes with running host machine? For example I am unable to
perform
shift+tab, windows key alone and maybe some other keypresses.


Sorry for a negative posting but I am really getting afraid
something
is wrong in my setup.

Greetings

Peter

On 12.11.2012 15:29, Dave Hunt  wrote:

Hi,

There is something like the launcher, it's called the top bar, get
to it
with 'ctrl+alt+tab'.  Use the arrows to navigate the bar.  Use the
enter
key to make selection, and 'shift+f10' for a context menu, with
items
like 'add to favorites'.
Maybe this page will help you?

http://accessiblefreedom.org/wiki/index.php?title=GNOME_Shell#Accessing_Your_Desktop_with_the_Orca_Screen_Reader










On 11/12/2012 02:09 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Thanks Jonathan,
I wish to know how then can the activities menu be accessed?
And I hope we have some thing like the launcher pane like in
Unity 2d
accessible to Orca?
This way the most frequently used aps can be kept handy and can be
started using a shortcut key.
I am not here to discuss what Gnome shell must and must not have,
but to
know what all is accessible with Orca if it is available in the
first
place.
Happy Hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Monday 12 November 2012 12:01 AM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:

Hello,

To use gnoem-shell you must press the windows key to get to the
shell
in gnome. alt f1 brings you to the activities window which I
think is
still inaccessible. Also i'm not sure if I wrote in wrong or not
but
you must press control and the letter s at log in for orca to
come up
at the log in screen. Also in gnome shell is you press alt
control
and
tab this will bring you to the top panel. But alt f1 doesn't
bring
you
to the menu like in gnome 2 or like in gnome classic.

On 11/11/2012 10:19 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Hi Jonathan,
I am really disappointed that I am not able to use the distro.
I downloaded the 64 bit ISo and booted it.
First thing that happened was that it directly booted into Gnome
classic thus did not allow me to choose.
I did a logout and then tryed pressing alt + s more than
once, but
Orca did not come up talking at the login prompt.
Never the less, my wife who is sighted did help out by choosing
gnome.
When I hit enter on the password prompt, I get Orca speaking
after
few seconds.
But unlike classic, here it is just the Orca that speaks.
I pressed alt + f2, nothing is spoken.  I press alt + f1, no
response.
Only when the focus is on the Orca window, I here preference,
quit
and help buttons.
Kindly tell me what must be wrong.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Sunday 11 November 2012 03:38 PM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:


Hello list,


Sonar version 12.10 is ready for download. This is based of of
Ubuntu 12.10 using classic gnome as the default desktop. But
you
can
press alt and the letter s for orca to speak at log in and
change
the desktop to gnome-shell. Also Libreoffice that comes with
Ubuntu
12.10 is replaced with a accessible version of Libreoffice.
Here is
a link for the download.


http://sourceforge.net/projects/sonargnulinux/files/



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_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp







_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp





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