Re: [orca-list] Sonar 12.10 is out

[Peter VÃgner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
Yes this is like a dream.
It really works fine.
I am unable to find out the problem now.
Most likelly the main problem was that I have pressed alt+f1 and did not 
wait enough time. In my virtual machine it takes up to 4 or 5 seconds 
for the overview to come up for the first time. Subsequent calls of that 
commands are then working fine.
Maybe typing in or pressing other commands while waiting break something.
Okay tommorow I will install it inside a vm so I can experiment more and 
then finally I will hopefully end up installing this to real machine.

Thanks and greetings

Peter


DÅa 12.11.2012 20:42, Josà Vilmar EstÃcio de Souza  wrote / napÃsal(a):
> Press alt+f1 and then explore using ctrl+alt+tab.
> You'll find the dash, the applications and etc.
>
> On 11/12/2012 05:35 PM, Peter VÃgner wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I dont know what might have happened this time but I have rebooted host
> > machine, started VM again and now it all behaves accordingly to the wiki
> > article written by Dave Hunt.
> > I am still running live session. It is amazing really. I will try boot
> > ing several times in a row if I will find the difference again.
> > I can browse the top panel including all the menus e.g. accessibility
> > menu, network menu etc.
> > I am unable to figure out how to access applications however this might
> > be a temporary bug Joanie has said is fixed for upcoming release.
> >
> > Thanks for everyones patience.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > DÅa 12.11.2012 20:21, Josà Vilmar EstÃcio de Souza  wrote / napÃsal(a):
> > > I don't know if this is the case, but there is a small probblem in
> > > overview panel when it is activated for the first time.
> > >
> > > When activated for the first time by pressing alt+f1 or the win key,
> > > there is a delay before orca reads something.
> > >
> > > On 11/12/2012 05:08 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> > > > As mentioned before, I am facing exactly the same problems.
> > > > Nothing works on the Gnome shell except the Orca window, as far as
> > > > speech feedback is concerned.
> > > > happy hacking.
> > > > Krishnakant.
> > > > On Tuesday 13 November 2012 12:21 AM, Peter VÃgner wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > Thanks for nice clear and usefull write up. It is a verry good reading
> > > > > and the features and accessibility support it describes appear to be
> > > > > so great that it made me to download this new sonar, so I can try it
> > > > > out in a VM first.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have booted sonar it played a greeting tone and orca came up
> > > > > tallking. I did know that it originally booted into the gnome classic
> > > > > desktop. I am targetting gnome shell at this time however I was
> > > > > curious newertheless and explored the classic gnome as well.
> > > > > There are several icons on the desktop and it is possible t use arrow
> > > > > keys to navigate over them.
> > > > > Hitting alt+F1 like we are used to from gnome 2 also opens a menu
> > > > > which is fully accessible. Using alt+ctrl+tab to navigate over the
> > > > > pannels works fine and using arrows to explore the menus works well
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I have found a system menu and inside it a logout entry in the
> > > > > top pannel. Logging out was accessible.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact login screen appeared is also signalled by the clear sound
> > > > > cue.
> > > > > Hitting ctrl+s on the login screen starts orca and it is really
> > > > > amazing. In ubuntu 12.04 I was newer able to get this part working.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can then tab to the session options button. there are three options
> > > > > on this sonar live cd. Gnome, Gnome classic and gnome classic with no
> > > > > effects.
> > > > > I have activated the first button saying gnome and then activated ok
> > > > > button.
> > > > > I then landed inside a password field on the login screen and hit the
> > > > > enter key to log in.
> > > > >
> > > > > The login sound greeted me and after a little while orca started up
> > > > > tallking. However from here I was able to do nothing. Pressing
> > > > > windows+d to go to the desktop did not work I assume because I have
> > > > > got no feetback from orca. However focus definatelly went away from
> > > > > the orca main window where it was prior to hitting windows+d. Using
> > > > > arrow keys to navigate did not help. using shift+f10 to bring up the
> > > > > context menu did not work in this situation as well. I have tried to
> > > > > press alt+f1, press escape, press alt+ctrl+tab, alt+tab and various
> > > > > combination of these but I was unable to get a speech out this. I was
> > > > > even unable to return back to the accessible orca window. Pressing
> > > > > alt+F2 and blindly typing in firefox followed by the enter key did not
> > > > > reviewed speech output either.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I have decided to take another test drive, shutdown virtual machine
> > > > > and booted sonar again. I havent explored classic desktop this time. I
> > > > > have immediatelly logged out and then logged in using gnome.
> > > > > I have not used windows+d to go to the desktop I have simply tried
> > > > > alt+F1 and then typing in the search query. I was not getting spoken
> > > > > feetback this time either. I then tried tabbing around, using arrow
> > > > > keys to navigate, hitting ctrl+alt+tab but no speech again. I was able
> > > > > to retun back to the orca window after hitting esc key and then
> > > > > alt+tab.
> > > > > I am afraid I am doing something wrong or I am not following the
> > > > > suggested reading to the letter because really I can get no spoken
> > > > > feetback.
> > > > >
> > > > > Might the problem be that on my machine virtual machine keyboard
> > > > > clashes with running host machine? For example I am unable to perform
> > > > > shift+tab, windows key alone and maybe some other keypresses.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for a negative posting but I am really getting afraid something
> > > > > is wrong in my setup.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12.11.2012 15:29, Dave Hunt  wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is something like the launcher, it's called the top bar, get
> > > > > > to it
> > > > > > with 'ctrl+alt+tab'.  Use the arrows to navigate the bar.  Use the
> > > > > > enter
> > > > > > key to make selection, and 'shift+f10' for a context menu, with items
> > > > > > like 'add to favorites'.
> > > > > > Maybe this page will help you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://accessiblefreedom.org/wiki/index.php?title=GNOME_Shell#Accessing_Your_Desktop_with_the_Orca_Screen_Reader
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/12/2012 02:09 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> > > > > > > Thanks Jonathan,
> > > > > > > I wish to know how then can the activities menu be accessed?
> > > > > > > And I hope we have some thing like the launcher pane like in
> > > > > > > Unity 2d
> > > > > > > accessible to Orca?
> > > > > > > This way the most frequently used aps can be kept handy and can be
> > > > > > > started using a shortcut key.
> > > > > > > I am not here to discuss what Gnome shell must and must not have,
> > > > > > > but to
> > > > > > > know what all is accessible with Orca if it is available in the
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > place.
> > > > > > > Happy Hacking.
> > > > > > > Krishnakant.
> > > > > > > On Monday 12 November 2012 12:01 AM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To use gnoem-shell you must press the windows key to get to the
> > > > > > > > shell
> > > > > > > > in gnome. alt f1 brings you to the activities window which I
> > > > > > > > think is
> > > > > > > > still inaccessible. Also i'm not sure if I wrote in wrong or not
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > you must press control and the letter s at log in for orca to
> > > > > > > > come up
> > > > > > > > at the log in screen. Also in gnome shell is you press alt control
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > tab this will bring you to the top panel. But alt f1 doesn't bring
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > to the menu like in gnome 2 or like in gnome classic.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/11/2012 10:19 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jonathan,
> > > > > > > > > I am really disappointed that I am not able to use the distro.
> > > > > > > > > I downloaded the 64 bit ISo and booted it.
> > > > > > > > > First thing that happened was that it directly booted into Gnome
> > > > > > > > > classic thus did not allow me to choose.
> > > > > > > > > I did a logout and then tryed pressing alt + s more than once, but
> > > > > > > > > Orca did not come up talking at the login prompt.
> > > > > > > > > Never the less, my wife who is sighted did help out by choosing
> > > > > > > > > gnome.
> > > > > > > > > When I hit enter on the password prompt, I get Orca speaking after
> > > > > > > > > few seconds.
> > > > > > > > > But unlike classic, here it is just the Orca that speaks.
> > > > > > > > > I pressed alt + f2, nothing is spoken.  I press alt + f1, no
> > > > > > > > > response.
> > > > > > > > > Only when the focus is on the Orca window, I here preference, quit
> > > > > > > > > and help buttons.
> > > > > > > > > Kindly tell me what must be wrong.
> > > > > > > > > happy hacking.
> > > > > > > > > Krishnakant.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday 11 November 2012 03:38 PM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello list,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sonar version 12.10 is ready for download. This is based of of
> > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 12.10 using classic gnome as the default desktop. But you
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > press alt and the letter s for orca to speak at log in and change
> > > > > > > > > > the desktop to gnome-shell. Also Libreoffice that comes with
> > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu
> > > > > > > > > > 12.10 is replaced with a accessible version of Libreoffice.
> > > > > > > > > > Here is
> > > > > > > > > > a link for the download.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/sonargnulinux/files/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > > > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
> > > > > > > > > > The manual is
> > > > > > > > > > athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > > > > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > > > The manual is at
> > > > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > > The manual is at
> > > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > The manual is at
> > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > The manual is at
> > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp