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Re: [orca-list] Magnifier

You are correct. It is really too bad, since it is a fairly basic and important feature for a magnifier to have and given the large number of persons with low vision around the world.
In fact, I am considering adding this feature to the list of items we would fund if my next proposal is successful with foundations.
The latest third-party estimate of the total number of Gnome users around the world is over 14 million. If we make the fairly safe assumption that the number of actual and potential users of Gnome that have low vision is similar to the number observed in the general population (based on a 2011 WHO study), we quickly find that this feature can help a potential population of about 504 thousand persons.
Assuming that this improvement on Gnome will cost 5 thousand Dollars or less to implement, the cost of helping 504,000 users with magnification is less than one cent per person. What foundation would say no to that return on investment, assuming they understand how FOSS works.
BTW, if anybody wants to suggest foundations for me to get in touch with, please do. I can be reached at fernando botelho f123 org 

On 05/17/2012 06:30 PM, timothyhobbs seznam cz wrote:

There is a claim that this was at one point implemented for gnome3...


https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Magnification#Demo_Videos
---------- PÅvodnà zprÃva ----------
Od: Fernando H. F. Botelho <fernando botelho f123 org>
Datum: 17. 5. 2012
PÅedmÄt: Re: [orca-list] Magnifier

    Hi,

    The problem with magnification with the free systems I know about, is
    that they do not do cursor tracking. For this reason F123 funded
    improvements to the eZoom plugin for Compiz Fusion.

    Thanks to Alejandro Leiva, the developer with whom we have been working
    on this initiative, there is an improved version available for testing.

    We are hopeful it will soon be available for use at the upstream
    version
    of eZoom, but for those who know how to use GIT repositories etc, here
    is the info:

    Alejandro's GIT repository can be found at:
    https://github.com/gloob/compiz-accessibility-plugin

    You can also find Alejandro's version of eZoom at this URL:
    https://github.com/gloob/gloob-Ezoom-fork

    To give Alejandro feedback, please contact him at this e-mail address:
    gloob litio org

    Please note that Gnome 3 does not use Compiz Fusion, and for that
    reason
    cannot use this plugin. It should be fine for Gnome Fallback and Unity
    3D, but I have personally not tried it yet, since I am blind.

    Best wishes,

    Fernando

    On 05/17/2012 02:03 PM, timothyhobbs seznam cz wrote:
     > I'll just repost a message that I sent previously to the list:
     >
     > Magnification works great on gnome3. I use it every day. It's
    built in.
     > You can enable it by clicking on the little man in the circle at
    the top
     > of the screen. There is also a setting to make text larger, this does
     > not work OK. Unfortunately some applications don't know how to
    deal with
     > large text on small displays, and they become too big to fit on the
     > screen. But the magnifier works great. You can set up hotkeys to
     > increase/decrease the magnification level. Or you can use a tool like
     >
    https://github.com/timthelion/gnome-shell-zoom-control-window/wiki to be
     > able to control the magnification level by pressing buttons on
    the screen.
     >
     > I like to use magnification with my tablet. That lets me move the pen
     > across the display and in doing so move the magnifier view.
     >
     > If you don't like gnome's magnifier for some reason(for example, you
     > wish to use a different window manager than gnome, you can use
     > http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/#gettingstarted or xzoom. I've tried
     > the former, but not the latter(I've tried xzoom now, and it also
    works
     > well, but is a bit more blocky/pixelated then the gnome3 one). The
     > former is quite good, though it's a "software magnifier" and not a
     > "hardware magnifier" there is a slight difference in both
     > speed/smoothness of magnification and behaviour. The gnome
    magnifier can
     > magnify the whole screen at once, and you then move around by
    panning,
     > while the software one can only place a little window over the screen
     > and magnify one portion of the screen at a time.
     >
     > Now that I looked, it seems KDE too has a magnifying glass.
     >
     > One thing I'd have to say, is it's almost always better to use
    some kind
     > of larger text, then to use a magnifier. This is because it
    renders more
     > crisply... Be aware of
     >
    http://www.labnol.org/software/browsers/resize-text-in-firefox-3-without-changing-the-size-of-images/2775/
     > ... Unfortunately as web pages get "more intelligent" they also
    get less
     > and less accessible. Every day, more and more web sites are
    impossible
     > to just zoom in, due to an over-abundance of fixed width columns. One
     > thing, you might try, is Opera's view to view a web page like a
    mobile
     > web browser would. This tells the web page to be less intelligent and
     > less collumy, and can help to make the content resize better. I
     > personally don't use this though, as I find that many web pages using
     > Java script lose their functionality in that mode.
     >
     >
     > ---------- PÅvodnà zprÃva ----------
     > Od: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <texou actux eu org>
     > Datum: 17. 5. 2012
     > PÅedmÄt: [orca-list] Magnifier
     >
     > Hi,
     >
     > I've just tested a recent release of orca, and done some
    Searches, and I
     > believe that magnifier on orca has disappeared. Could you confirm? No
     > longer magnification possible on orca? Does an alternate exist, as
     > powerful as orca tools? How can we run it easily in a GUI?
     >
     > Another question (sorry, out of subject): how do you shut down the
     > computer with gnome3 and orca?
     >
     > Thanks,
     >
     > Best regards,
     >
     >
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