Re: [orca-list] Proposal: Eliminate the "gui setup" command line options

[Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 gmail com>]

Hi Joanie,

Thanks for the response. You answered all of my questions and then some. 
As I said in my message I was just concerned how this would effect me, 
and if I'd have to go x layers deep into the control center just to 
access something simple or not. Looks like the change will ultimately be 
more positive then I first thought.

Cheers!


    On 5/12/2012 6:47 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Thomas, all.
>
> On 05/12/2012 04:21 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > 1. If Orca's settings do become a part of control center will I still be
> > able to use insert+space to go directly to Orca's settings or will I
> > have to go to the top panel, find my user name, arrow down to System
> > Settings, arrow to the Universal Access option, find the Orca settings
> > tab, etc?
> As I stated earlier in this thread [1]:
>
> > > My colleague Felipe has been traveling, but he will be leading the
> > > design efforts as previously discussed. The goal will be to incorporate
> > > the resulting design directly into GNOME's control center. I'll keep a
> > > "vanilla" copy that looks the same as Felipe's design within Orca until
> > > we can get other desktop environments to also integrate Orca into their
> > > control panels.
> So, you will still be able to get into Orca's vanilla preferences dialog
> at least until the other major desktops have addressed this. The
> appearance of said dialog will likely change to be more user friendly
> based on Felipe's findings and recommendations.
>
> > If I have to spend a minute or two getting to Orca's settings where
> > insert+space takes seconds to access the same settings currently I think
> > that would be a huge step in the wrong direction.
> For anything which needs changing on the fly, it's faster to not use the
> Orca Preferences dialog, but rather bind a keystroke to the command. You
> can already do so for speech rate, speech pitch, punctuation level, and
> key echo. Doing so for changing the synthesizer will happen once I get
> to changing profiles on the fly.
>
> > If Orca's settings do become a part of Gnome's control
> > center how does a person using KDE, Lxde, Xfce, get access to Orca's
> > settings?
> If your question is an example of why this is a BadIdea(tm), please see
> my above quote from my previous message in which I state that Orca's
> vanilla gui will remain in place until they do.
>
> If instead your question is a technical one: The settings themselves are
> not going to leave Orca. They are staying put. It's the configuration
> thereof which is changing. In order for this to be accomplished, I will
> be making Orca's settings configurable via dbus service. Orca will
> listen for and respond to changes in its settings. So anyone who wants
> to make an Orca configuration tool will be able to do so. This includes
> both desktop environments as well as individuals such as yourselves. And
> they can make it look and act however they want. And Orca will do the
> right thing in response. Furthermore, any tool that allows you to
> interact with a dbus server's properties and methods could be used to
> change Orca's settings.
>
> So in the long run, I think this change will be awesome.
>
> > Yeah, I understand that KDE or whoever may have to write their own
> > control center settings for Orca, but that seems to me to be reinventing
> > the wheel.
> You'd think so, wouldn't you? But "integration" is what's shiny and new.
> And given that it can be done in a way that does not negatively impact
> us, and may actually positively impact us by making Orca more available
> and more approachable to more users.... If people want to reinvent
> wheels to help us, who am I to stop them?<smiles>
>
> > In the meantime before they do that are we forced to log out
> > of the session, log into Gnome, change Orca's settings, log out of
> > Gnome, and back into KDE?
> No. In fact, right now I have a desktop with both GNOME and KDE. I can
> change KDE settings in GNOME and GNOME settings in KDE. All without
> logging out.
>
> Furthermore, see the above statements in which I state that Orca's
> vanilla gui is sticking around for now.
>
> > Basically, as a Orca user I want to know how this change will effect me.
> Understood completely. Have I addressed all your questions and concerns?
> If not, please let me know.
>
> > How much work will I have to do to access those preferences,
> Should be a minimal amount.
>
> > there be some effort made to maintain the current ease of use by
> > pressing insert+space to go directly to Orca's preferences?
> See above.
>
> Take care.
> --joanie
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