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Re: [orca-list] talking gdm with orca in fedora

Hi, Robert:

Well, I suppose I haven't been on list as much as as I've been in the
past. I like to try and help where I can, as I've been a Fedora user for
some time.

I would encourage you to look for solutions without reinstalling. If
you'd like to say more about your "out of range" error, I'll try to
help. Did you check in /var/log/messages for more details on that
message?

Janina

Robert Cole writes:

Hello, Janina.

thanks for the information in the below e-mail concerning SELinux!

I did not know about editing /etc/sysconfig/selinux to disable
SELinux. It seems that editing /etc/selinux/config can accomplish
the same thing; I actually did this last week, but have since
reinstalled Fedora 17 a few times because I am trying to figure out
how to get rid of a message presented by my monitor regarding an out
of range input signal! Having a lot of fun, though!

Thanks again. I'll keep your message on-hand as I know it will be
very helpful to me.

Take care.


On 06/15/2012 08:57 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:

One more note I missed on the first round ...

If selinux is giving you trouble:

Turn it off temporarily:
setenforce 0

Check the selinux level with:
getenforce

If you hand edit config files in /etc, and sometimes when you install
software with selinux disabled, you need to run:
restorecon -vr


You can permamently disable/enable selinux by editing:
/etc/sysconfig/selinux

and rebooting.

Janina

Janina Sajka writes:

A big plus 1 to Robert below.

I am also using Fedora 17.

The Speakup Modified images are useful installation media in that they
provide up to date packages across the board, and a kernel that's ready
to work through Speakup.

In the old days we could use telnet from a second computer to install.
This was removed a few revs ago, unfortunately. The news on the Fedora
lists is that the text interface is about to be fully rewritten, so
perhaps the two-computer installation path will return, probably over
ssh.

As previously mentioned, Joanie is having success using the graphical
installer with Orca. I believe she's identifying a relatively short list
of bugs that should make that option viable.

I don't have an answer for GDM. In fact, things are in a bad way. You
actually have to pick your user off a list, press enter, and then type
in a password. Most of using Fedora with Orca probably haven't noticed
this, because we're likely the main users of our machines and our user
names are at the top of the list. Point is that typing in a username
does nothing.

Speakup can work with Espeak and Bill Acker has an Espeakup rpm on the
SpeakupModified iso image. This works for him in both Speakup and Orca,
but not for me on my systems. I need to use different speech engines,
different audio devices, and different drivers to have both Speakup and
Orca available at the same time. This is a nuisance, of course, when I'm
using a laptop on the road. I actually use a second USB audio device and
a short audio cable taking the output to the input of the internal
audio. Hokey, but it works. At home, I have a Mackie 1202 mixer on my
desk, so this isn't much of a problem.

PS: I have additional audio devices, including a dedicated headset for
SIP calls. I use SIP exclusively these days for all my telephone calls.
I haven't had an account with the old phone company in some six years.

Orca seems to work better when pulseaudio is enabled and running.
However, I havenot found Speakup to work with pulseaudio at all, at
least not in my experience of Fedora. So, I terminate pulseaudio with
extreme prejudice.

I delete /usr/bin/pulseaudio, then touch a file into existence there,
and chmod it 555.

I also like the beep on backspace, which Fedora disables by default. So,
I edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and comment out the line that
silences the beep.

I create an /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf with all of my audio devices,
including snd-pcsp, in order to have all my audio devices assigned the
ALSA id I want each to have.


I do a few other minor things that give me sonic indicators, e.g. an
aply in /etc/rc.d/rc.local and ~/.bash_profile.

I have been unable to get emacspeak to work for me for several Fedora
versions now. None of the speech servers work correctly for me. I
haven't figured out how to get beyond that.

Janina

Robert Cole writes:

Hello, Alex.

Fedora has been quite an experience for me in a good way.

Although there is no accessible login screen (at least to my
minuscule bit of knowledge), although its installer is not yet fully
accessible, and although there is a bit more work in getting things
up and going (such as audio/video codecs and other things), Fedora
actually works wonderfully with Orca once you are logged in. It is
basically a vanilla GNOME experience, it is very fast, and it seems
to be quite reliable. I still do not completely understand SELinux,
but it definitely makes things much more secure.

Although some things are not set up out of the box as they are in
Ubuntu (for instance, I am still not quite sure how to get QT
applications talking), I think I may plant myself in Fedora from now
on.

If you are able to test it out in some way, I would recommend it. It
has been a great experience for me.

Kind regards!

On 06/12/2012 12:03 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Sounds like Fedora's just the wrong distro for you if you need to use
a screen reader.  Now, I really wana try it!  Grass is greener and all
that.

Alex M

On 6/12/12, Robert Cole <rkcole72984 gmail com> wrote:

Hello, Alonzo.

I apologize as I do not think that what I have to say will be of much help.

I am running Fedora 17 here at home now as well. After reading your
message, I logged out and looked at the accessibility menu on the login
screen. Interestingly enough, at least for me, there is no potion for
"Screen Reader" (Orca) neither on the login screen nor on my desktop
after I am logged in. I have noticed since installing Fedora 17 that
SELinux does seem to block some different things when Orca is running;
they seem to have been related to at-spi. At one point Orca was not even
talking until I followed the instructions in the SELinux Troubleshooter
to create a policy; I accessed this via magnification.

I am really not sure how to get GDM talking, or if it is possible right
now. I was kind of wondering myself it it was possible to install
LightGM and get it talking as it does in Ubuntu, but I have not tried it
yet as I am trying to figure out how to solve an issue with my monitor.
I will not get into that, though, as it goes completely out of the scope
of this list.

If I figure anything out I will let you know, but I am sorry that I do
not have anything helpful to offer you.

Take care.

On 06/12/2012 08:28 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

Hi.

Your post arrived just fine.  The reason you are probably not getting many
responses is that there are very few of us who use Fedora due to largely
inaccessible install process.  That may soon change, however, as Joannie
has been working on Anaconda's accessibility.  Hang in there.  Someone is
bound to respond sooner or later.

Best,
Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Alonzo Cuellar
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:27 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] talking gdm with orca in fedora

Hello list,
I'm not sure if my message was received, but I'll repost. I'm wanting to
make gdm talk on fedora this way I can tell when to enter my password when
using fedora.
I've found some messages relating to fedora 11, but I'm not sure if the
same still applies. I've tried doing
gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility
to see what my system would report for the current user and i get the
following.

Client failed to connect to the dbus daemon.
The remote application did not send a reply, the message buss security
policy blocked the reply, the reply timed out/expired, or the network
connection timed out.
Failure listing entries in /desktop/gnome/interface , no dbus
daemonrunning.

I'd think this is an selinux-policy issue, but I'm not sure.
Either that or values with gconftool-2 do not require dbus. I believe
though its the latter of what I've mentioned.
I'm running Fedora 17.

cheers to all,
Alonzo
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp



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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Janina Sajka,       Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
                   sip:janina asterisk rednote net
           Email:  janina rednote net

The Linux Foundation
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The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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orca-list mailing list
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp



_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


-- 

Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
                        sip:janina asterisk rednote net
                Email:  janina rednote net

The Linux Foundation
Chair, Open Accessibility:      http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
        Indie UI                        http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
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