Re: [orca-list] Some bugs with perhaps possible fixing in master branch

[Krishnakant Mane <krmane gmail com>]

+1 Jef,
And there are really more pressing issues to be resolved with Orca.
That's why when I first raised this issue,  I had used the word 
"irritant" and that too it is no so for all people like me.
It was and can't be a bug by any means.
Let's forget the issue and move on.
After all, if people like Storm dragon  can write  scripts for date and 
time, those who need the feature can also write a script for saying copy 
to clipboard and paste to clipboard.
Really any thing that is in proprietary  software is not there 
necessarily always due to needs and wants of users (customers in their 
lingo).
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On 06/05/2012 02:50 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> I'd forgotten about the Research It feature.  I never ever ever use
> that thing.  I remember how absolutely annoyed I was when it came out
> and all the issues with Java accessibility remained unresolved.  I can
> feel my frustration mounting just remembering it.  You make a very
> very good point with that one.  Usefullness really does have to be the
> key determinant when manpower is limited.  If this feature with
> control c is a royal pain to code into Orca, I say forget about it and
> move on to other more pressing things like QT apps or stuff like
> Impress and the like.  Oh, God how I hated that Research It Feature!
> Most ridiculous waste of money there ever was!
>
> Alex M
>
>
> On 6/4/12, Geoff Shang<geoff quitelikely com>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is straying off-topic.  I will attempt to make it relevant so please
> > stick with me.
> >
> > In response to Alex' message asserting that JAWS features are implemented
> > due to demand, this may have been true once but it's not necessarily true
> > anymore.  Two reasons for this:
> >
> > 1.  They are the most used screen reader, particularly in the USA which is
> > their main concern.  As such they can pretty much do what they want.  The
> > other screen readers need to play catch-up and everybody knows it.
> >
> > 2.  Many people take out software maintenance agreements for major
> > releases of JAWS.  This entitles a person to the next two major releases.
> > Back in the day, these major releases were usually worth it, being notable
> > upgrades in performance or functionality.  But now, Freedom Scientific has
> > effectively made it a two-year support contract because they roll out a
> > new major release every single year.  This of course gives them a more
> > reliable income stream from SMA customers.  However, it also means that
> > they need to come up with enough new features to warrant a new version
> > designation, or at least to make it look like people are actually getting
> > something for their money.  So this results in highly dubious features
> > like ResearchIt that very arguably should not even be in a screen reader
> > being touted by FS as a major feature in JAWS 11.
> >
> > Now I say all this because we should take this into account if we want to
> > consider using the functionality present in commercial screen readers as a
> > gauge for what should be implemented in free ones.  My point is that the
> > wants and needs of the user are not the only things that drive commercial
> > screen reader development, and are quite possibly not the most influential
> > ones that do.  Since screen readers like Orca are not subject to such
> > commercial pressures, and particularly since they also lack the kind of
> > development man-power that commercial money can buy, we can and must think
> > more about the usefulness of various features rather than merely copy what
> > someone else decided to do.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Geoff.
> >
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