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Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

Why would people hate Ubuntu?  You guys need to try Unity.  It's not
half bad.  It could do with some enhancements like type ahead in the
launch bar among others but, it's pretty nice.  I really like that it
remembers apps you recently launched.  I was missing that feature on
my Debian installation, actually.

there are certainly things I'd like changed about Ubuntu but, take
them all around, theirs is a very nice distribution with excelent
hardware support and they've been good at making themselves easily
customizable for a11y.  That's why Vinux is based on it, you know.  If
I had one gripe with them it's mandatory Pulse Audio.  It's got issues
that make life harder for someone who uses a tts and everything I have
read on forums and postings has led me to believe that its developers
are insensitive to our needs and unwilling to dedicate some serious
time to overcome the problems we face with it.  Those two factors in
and of themselves aren't necessarily what make me feel so negative
toward it but, add that to its increasingly becoming a dependency for
distributions and even desktops in spite of these issues upsets me.
But, if I'm going to be upset with Ubuntu over Pulse, I have to cary
that over to gnome and KDE and probably even XFCE, Fedora Linux, Arch
linux and even Debian.  Anyway, other than PUlse, Ubuntu rocks in my
book.

Alex M

On 1/4/12, Andy B <sonfire11 gmail com> wrote:

This is why most people hate Ubuntu...

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Cox [mailto:waywardgeek gmail com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:10 PM
To: Andy B
Cc: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

On the login screen, you can choose your default desktop.  Just choose
"Unity 2D".  The Vinux guys naturally think "Yes! Get rid of that slow 3-D
crud!"  The shocking thing is that this version of the desktop isn't even
GTK based.  It's using Qt and the new qt-at-spi thingy, I think.  I read
about the rational, and it seems Canonical is very interested in ARM based
devices, and Qt is already there, so Unity 2D based on Qt may be how Ubuntu
gets on ARM tablets quickly.

This whole thing is super risky.  Chances are high that Ubuntu will once
again drop a software project, and any work we've done to improve Unity's
accessibility will be wasted.  However, I've not had any luck getting
improvements into the Gnome 2 desktop, nor has anyone else I've known in the
community, so I figure my work has better odds of making a difference in
Unity.  I'm also very interested in seeing how Qt a11y compares to GTK.
Orca expanding to support Qt is pretty huge.

Bill

On 1/4/12, Andy B <sonfire11 gmail com> wrote:

How do you get the QT version of unity?

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org]
On Behalf Of Bill Cox
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:42 PM
To: Glenn
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

The default Unity Desktop is based on Gnome 3, so all Ubuntu is
replacing is the Gnome 3 Shell.  I haven't played around with the Gnome 3

Shell yet.

Does anyone here know it's current a11y status?
The version I'm using when in Ubuntu Oneiric right now is the Unity 2D
version, based on Qt, rather than GTK.  It's a bit more accessible
currently than the GTK based Unity, and quite a bit faster.  The panel
icons talk, which is my favorite enhancement over the Gnome 2 Shell so
far, though I also like that I hit the super key, type a couple
letters and hit enter, and I'm running an app.  Common applications I
launch with super+number.  I find this much easier than navigating
menus by keyboard.  It took a while to get used to hitting F10 to get
to the top panel, though.  I require use of the Compiz magnifier.  Can
compiz be used with the Gnome 3 Shell?  I'd read that it does not work
with either Gnome 3 Shell or Unity, but the article was wrong about
Unity.  I've noticed some lag in Unity lately due I think to the
switch to D-Bus with at-spi2, but it's not that bad, and hopefully the
D-Bus latency can be reduced.  Other features I like in Unity are due
to being low vision, rather than blind.  This desktop looks like it
wants to run on touch tablets, so it's assuming a 10" screen, and
therefore eliminates a ton of clutter.  For guys with great vision,
Unity will look rather plain.  The top panel has the active application's

menus, the system menu, and notification tray.

Everything else disappears, leaving almost all of the screen free for
use by the application.  This is pretty nice for magnifier users on

laptops.


If anyone can give a summary of the Gnome 3 Shell a11y, I'd very much
appreciate it.  I read there's a guy named Benjamen doing a lot of
a11y related code in the GTK core.  Are there any a11y upgrades in the
Gnome 3 Shell over Gnome 2 Shell?

Thanks,
Bill

On 12/30/11, Glenn <GlennErvin cableone net> wrote:

Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone is planning on building a new version of
Ubuntu with Gnome instead of Unity, so we can get the benefit of the

latest Ubuntu.

I'd rather not have to do that myself.
Glenn

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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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