Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists

[Al Sten-Clanton <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>]

I'm inclined to agree with much of what Steve says.  I may value the 
distinction between visited and unvisited links more than he does, 
though, as it can sometimes help you skip a bunch of links on a page 
with a lot of them.  (Of course,the find command can do that, but only 
if you remember exactly what the link's label is--or enough of it to 
make it unique.

Al

On 1/21/2011 11:10 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> We've had the comparison issues between screen readers in the past.  I
> don't want to see Orca implement something just because Jaws has it,
> nor do I want something to be implemented like jaws just just because some
> people in windows use jaws.  I for one, don't do jaws and have no
> intentions of doing so.  If it just so happens that a feature is well
> implemented in jaws, then do it; otherwise, if there is a better way,
> I would rather see that instead.  In the case of all these lists for
> different HTML widgets, I think the treeview approach wouldn't be so
> bad but at the very least, I like the idea of a two letter command to
> pop them up.  this way, you don't lose so many hot keys right off the
> bat for a single feature. The first letter of the two-letter command
> could open the single dialog for HTML widgets which could actually be
> a treeview.  Then the second letter would corespond to the types of
> elements we now have for structural navigation but also take you to
> the matching node in this tree.  This way, if one didn't know all the
> possible element types, you could brows this treeview and subsequently
> learn the shortcuts to get to these nodes directly in the future.
>
> So this way, you have the treeview approach but commands to take you
> to separate lists.
>
> Oh, I also see little value in differentiating between visited and
> unvisited links I would just soon find the next link regardless of
> visited or not.  Actually, with my suggested deal above, it wouldn't
> matter if you included these separate lists.  After all, it might as
> well be consistent with the available structural navigation commands
> we now have.
>
> Hope this all makes sense.
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:33:51PM +0100, Marcus Habermehl wrote:
> > Am 20.01.2011 14:15, schrieb Geoff Shang:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm very new to Orca, so will keep my comments to a minimum.  But you
> > > may want to look at what's been done in NVDA.  You only have one dialog
> > > box there and select the type of element to look at.  You can also enter
> > > in a search string to narrow down the list.
> >
> > I wouldn't take the way of NVDA as a good example. NVDA lists only three
> > types of objects, one of which was always empty in my tests.
> >
> > We should prefer commercial screen readers such as Jaws or Hal/Dolphin
> > as an example. I think they are the best known on Windows.
> >
> > Firstly, the developers will have something in mind for their solution
> > and on the other a similar behavior makes it easier to change between
> > Windows and GNOME.
> >
> > Both have separate lists. Hal/Dolphin represents those lists in one
> > window but distributed to different tabs in a notebook. JAWS on the
> > other hand, uses different windows.
> >
> > Greetings
> > Marcus
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