[orca-list] anyone with experience going from JAWS/Windoes to ORCA/LINUV?
- From: "Mario Mannea" <mario mannea fuse net>
- To: <orca-list gnome org>
- Subject: [orca-list] anyone with experience going from JAWS/Windoes to ORCA/LINUV?
- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:39:49 -0500
Hello All
I am a recent addition to this mailing list.
I've not made the transition, from Windows/JAWS to LINUX/ORCA.
I want to learn, in greater detail, what I'm getting into.
And yes, I am blind, as of ten years ago, now retired from large
high-tech company, software development, r&d.
And yes, in the early years, we developed on UNIX i.e. AIX &ULTRIX.
Any words of wisdom, based on experience, out there?
Mario
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1. Re: Firefox 4 question (Steve Holmes)
2. Re: unusual behavior with latest master? (Steve Holmes)
3. Re: unusual behavior with latest master? (covici ccs covici com)
4. Orca Gnome - A Great Job! (Jeffrey Malewski)
5. Re: unusual behavior with latest master? (Steve Holmes)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:09:04 -0700
From: Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 4 question
Message-ID: <20110103130904 GA32757 lnx3 holmesgrown com>
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I've run into similar situations from time to time with 4.0 Beta and I
could sometimes remedy the problem by reloading the page with Ctrl+r.
It was especially bad when the default Mozilla Google page. When aI
changed it to something else, I have not had the problem lately. It
might be fixed with later nightly builds of the program as well.
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 11:58:07AM -0800, Tom Masterson wrote:
I have installed firefox 4.0 from the daily builds ppa site for
ubuntu Maverick and am using Orca Master. When I open firefox AKA
Minefield orca stops speaking and showing things on the braille
display. Any ideas what is happening here?
Tom
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:22:43 -0700
From: Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master?
Message-ID: <20110103132243 GB32757 lnx3 holmesgrown com>
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GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the
environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify
the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line
. /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh
at the top of the runorca function.
Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my
system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech
dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export
speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca
does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why.
The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they
keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has
been noted.
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote:
covici ccs covici com <covici ccs covici com> wrote:
I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled.
Also, I
did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it up
there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get
copied
from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design?
Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be
read from your
home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user
environment,
which Linux inherently provides).
You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in
case that
helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to
preserve
environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm documentation,
or wait
for a reply from someone who knows gdm.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:29:37 -0500
From: covici ccs covici com
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master?
Message-ID: <16931 1294064977 ccs covici com>
Yep, that did it -- putting the export in the run orca script did it, I
am sure I loseon upgrade -- oh well. The overwriting settings only
happens with gdm, with the normal user its fine -- I wonder -- it must
think there are no settings or something. I wonder how it knew before
about speech dispatcher?
Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the
environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to modify
the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line
. /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh
at the top of the runorca function.
Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on my
system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech
dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export
speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is Orca
does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know why.
The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings, they
keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has
been noted.
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote:
covici ccs covici com <covici ccs covici com> wrote:
I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled.
Also, I
did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it
up
there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings get
copied
from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design?
Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be
read from your
home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user
environment,
which Linux inherently provides).
You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local in
case that
helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to
preserve
environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm
documentation, or wait
for a reply from someone who knows gdm.
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John Covici
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:17:42 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Malewski" <jmlwsk toast net>
To: <Orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] Orca Gnome - A Great Job!
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Hello everyone,
I just wanted to say Thank You for your outstanding work and making
Linux
accessable for those of us who are blind or visually impaired. In late
2007
I had a look at Ubuntu and Linux Mint as an alternative to Windows for
the
computers I was rebuilding for resale. I had issues with both while
trying
to do an accessable install, mostly with the "split screen"
magnification. I
joined the Mint forums and exchanged several emails with Willie Walker
regarding the issue. 2008 was a hectic year, and I didn't have much time
for
building computers. I did have the opportunity to chat with a young man
I
met through the Toledo Sight Center. He is working tech support for
Buckeye
Cable and is running Ubuntu on both his home pc and his laptop. He only
uses
Windows at work. Guy Lutz is totally blind and his OS of choice is
Ubuntu
with Orca Gnome running. He told me about the "full screen"
magnification
that was part of Orca. He told me of a Ubuntu release for the blind and
visually impaired, and I was hoping that would soon be incorporated into
the
Mint release. I was unable to find Orca in the Mint 7 release, and
assumed
the Mint team had dropped the Gnome desktop deferring to the KDE desktop
instead. I've learned since then that it is still there, but has to be
installed through the package manager. 2009 took me into gardening and
growing my own tobacco. The purchase of commercial seed in January 2010
led
me to start the "Black Swamp Tobacco Co" and I origionally intended to
host
the web site frome home. Windows doesn't give me the support I need for
the
Apache http and email servers, I can run one but not both, so now that
my
crop is in the barn I've taken another look at Linux. I've tried several
of
the Ubuntu releases, smoking a stick of Ram in "full screen" mode on
Ubuntu
10.10 and backed up from there trying to find one less resource
demanding. I
had login issues with both server editions I looked at and ended up at
9.04.
Apparently I missed something during the install and lacked root
privileges
so I was unable to configure the servers. Last night I found myself at
your
home page looking for another OS that supports Orca. Your reference to
Vinux
was a big help! I've downloaded the ISO and run the installation which
was
fully accessable every step of the way.
IT'S REAL! I'm no longer trapped in Windows. I hope to get Apache
installed
today, and get the website up and runing in the next day or two. Once I
do,
I'll be glad to donate server space or anything else I can do to help.
I'm
also going to contact the Vinux team and offer to host a download mirror
for
them.
Thank you for some great work. You guys are awesome!
Jeff Malewski
jmlwsk toast net
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:07:24 -0700
From: Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] unusual behavior with latest master?
Message-ID: <20110103170724 GC3221 lnx3 holmesgrown com>
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Yes, you will lose that export line on every upgrade of orca. What I
do is keep a copy of the modified orca script in my root user
directory and then after each upgrade, copy this file back to
/usr/bin. I just diff the files to be sure no changes were made to
this run script. I think I need to some how modify orca's start up
script to inherit the environment under gdm; don't know how to do this
though. You will notice a lot of other environment variables are also
being set in this script like PYTHONPATH and others. The problem is,
not everyone uses speech dispatcher and further, not everyone uses
speech dispatcher as a central service with inet sockets. Those who
use speech dispatcher with autospawning at the user level will not
experience these problems. But there are other advantages to running
speech dispatcher as a single central service which have been debated
before.
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 09:29:37AM -0500, covici ccs covici com wrote:
Yep, that did it -- putting the export in the run orca script did it,
I
am sure I loseon upgrade -- oh well. The overwriting settings only
happens with gdm, with the normal user its fine -- I wonder -- it
must
think there are no settings or something. I wonder how it knew before
about speech dispatcher?
Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com> wrote:
GDM is broken in several ways right now. First off, to get the
environment variable to be recognized by Orca, you will have to
modify
the /usr/bin/orca file directly and insert the following line
. /etc/profile.d/speechd.sh
at the top of the runorca function.
Now this speechd.sh script merely sets the environment variable on
my
system when speech dispatcher is started. If you start speech
dispatcher by some other method, then you could insert the export
speechd parameter in this spot instead. The bottom line here is
Orca
does not see the environment when started with gem; I don't know
why.
The other problem you are having is with the new orca settings,
they
keep getting overwritten even when I create new ones. This bug has
been noted.
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:14:03PM +1100, Jason White wrote:
covici ccs covici com <covici ccs covici com> wrote:
I usually start gdm, but its shell isn ologin, so I ampuzzled.
Also, I
did put a line in my .bashrc figuring it would login and pick it
up
there, but nothing happened. Also, for gdm the orca settings
get copied
from somewhere each time I start gdm -- is this by design?
Yes, I think it is, since obviously the configuration shouldn't be
read from your
home directory until you log in (at least, not in a multi-user
environment,
which Linux inherently provides).
You could try setting your environment variable in /etc/rc.local
in case that
helps. there might be a gdm configuration option that you need to
preserve
environment variables as well - have a look at the gdm
documentation, or wait
for a reply from someone who knows gdm.
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The manual is at
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
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Netiquette Guidelines are at
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--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?
John Covici
covici ccs covici com
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