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Re: [orca-list] Languages, Profiles and Orca Setup

From my perspective (I often work on translation projects), instead of going

into very complicated academic kind of discussions I think it would be much
better to start with something rather modest and, az far az I am aware,
missing in Orca.
Feature I refer to is a shortcut or script or whatever technique you want to
use, which would allow user to set two or three or whatever number you want
languages to rotate between. Such thing would save time. No need to open
Orca preference window, go through the select synthesizer dialog each time
you want to switch the language.

Az for orca default language selection based on local defaults I think it
would be great idea.
Now, the automatic language detection and switching them on the fly I would
live in a country of dreams and fantasy.
Best regards
Damian SP9QLO
skype:damianprzybyla?add

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Alejandro Leiva
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:12 AM
To: Paul Hunt
Cc: Orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Languages, Profiles and Orca Setup

On 09/08/10 17:51, Paul Hunt wrote:

Hey all,

On the subject of the Orca roadmap.

I would like the language detection / switching feature to be high on 
the priority list.  I've been talking to people on the Ubuntu 
accessibility IRC channel and this subject has come up.

One person wanted to know why, having selected a different language to 
English on the Ubuntu live CD boot screen, Orca still came up speaking 
in English.  Another (sighted) user did a headless install and blogged 
about the experience.  He commented that he assumed that if he had 
selected a different language at the start of the boot process then he 
would get an accessible install in that language... wrong...

I would like to suggest that we have an ability to detect the desired 
language based on the gnome locale setting and use an appropriate 
voice if available.

I know we have bugs 400717 - detect languages and bug 419742 - Ability 
to manually switch languages, but I just wanted to flag the issue again.

I also think an option to automatically switch languages on the fly 
wen reading text marked as being in a particular language in Firefox 
or Open Office would be really neat for all our users / contributors 
who correspond with us in English but have a different native language.

On to my other points...

If language detection is one day implemented (so Orca will by default 
start up in a locale determined language), could we do away with the 
Orca setup routine?

Personally I think it would make much more sense to start up using 
some sensible defaults and then provide something like a quick start 
wizard that could be run at any time (from the Orca main window) to 
let users configure basic settings for speech, braille and 
magnification if they wish to.

I imagine the setup routine confuses a lot of people, particularly 
people who might be wishing to run Orca for test purposes, to have 
Orca suddently firing questions at them left, right and centre.

We could at least make the setup routine optional.  "Welcome to Orca.
Since this is the first time you have run Orca would you like to run a 
quick start wizard to configure some basic settings?  If not this 
wizard can be run at any time from the Orca main window" etc.

Another idea that came up was maybe Orca could offer to run a tutorial 
similar to the Mac's Voiceover tutorial when it's run for the first time.

If we could detect the language to use, and detect whether or not 
we're on a notebook and if brltty is running we could have Orca start 
up with reasonable settings for the user.

My final idea here is (and I think it's come up before) is to have 
settings profiles.  These would be selectable from the Orca main 
window and there would be a "Configure" button that would bring up the 
Preferences GUI to enable the selected profile to be customised.

The default profiles that spring to mind are; Full Speech, Minimal 
Speech (for the LD users) and Magnifier only.  The user could of 
course create their own profiles that could be switched between either 
with some customisable toggle keys or perhaps automatically if the 
language changes...

Thoughts, comments etc?


Hi Paul,

        I think that we can resolve the "back to my main selected language" 
with a keybinding.

        About the ability to switch languages based in natural language or
multi-lingual text. Do you know what is the state of the art of this
technology? I'm trying to figure how performant is natural language
processing algorithm to automatically detect locale based on natural
language.

        I think that a tutorial is a good idea. In fact in the current
project funded by CFR (Consorcio Fernando de los Ríos) [1] the item Lot. 2,
3/b is

        * Self-paced tutorial about OCRFeeder with ORCA. All documentation
must be produced in accessible formats and supports free distribution
licenses.

        We can add to orca this tutorial.

        Finally, about profiles, we (Emergya) are implementing [2] a full
orca preferences profiles. In this way you can define multiple profiles. 
Then, we can provide specific default profiles for full/minimal speech, mag
only, etc...

[1]: http://live.gnome.org/Guadalinfo_accesible
[2]: http://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/log/?h=new-settings       

Cheers,
--
Alejandro Leiva
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