Re: [orca-list] Question about notification icon events and their accessible objects

["Alex H." <linuxx64 bashsh gmail com>]

Hi Storm,

Some icons are read if you press ctrl+f1. Couldn't the code be altered
to make the key press unnecessary? Wen Orca encounters an icon it just
executes the code automatically instead of waiting for ctrl+f1.

ctrl-f1 is the keystroke to read tooltips; it forces GNOME/the applet
to show the tooltip which Orca then reads.

What would be nice is if whatever needs to be labeled propperly get
labeled propperly, such as the network and battery icons, etc. It's
not that big a deal to hit ctrl-f1, but at this stage it shouldn't
have to be pressed at all, unless in an unknown GTK application that
doesn't ship with GNOME that utilizes iconized controls like the GNOME
panels. For now, maybe an orca script that checks for one of these
controls and taps ctrl-f1 automatically?

Alex

On 5/7/10, Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Some icons are read if you press ctrl+f1. Couldn't the code be altered
> to make the key press unnecessary? Wen Orca encounters an icon it just
> executes the code automatically instead of waiting for ctrl+f1.
> Thanks
> Storm
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> On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 18:08 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill.
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 11:15 -0400, Bill Cox wrote:
> > > I'm trying to figure out why icons in the notification area of the
> > > gnome-panel read "icon", and don't say the title of the icon, even if
> > > the programmer has gone to the trouble of assigning the icon a title
> > > for screen readers.
> >
> > We need the icon to have a name.
> >
> > >   In Accerciser, I can see events like:
> > >
> > > object:state-changed:focused(1, 0, None)
> > >    source: [icon | ]
> > >    application: [application | gnome-volume-control-applet]
> >
> > Looks like the icon doesn't have a name.
> >
> > > I assume this causes Orca to say "icon".
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> > > icon.  When I click on the link in source: [icon | ], it doesn't do
> > > anything.  I assume this is because no accessible object was ever
> > > created for that icon.  Is this correct?
> >
> > Hard to say without looking at it. Could be an Accerciser thing. Failing
> > that, here's my theory (based on experience with similar situations):
> > Some Gtk+ widget -- which does not have a corresponding accessible
> > object representing itself to us -- becomes focused. That's resulting in
> > corresponding accessible events. Those events are, in turn, resulting in
> > the creation of an accessible object. And the object which is being
> > created lacks a name.
> >
> > > Does Orca act on messages
> > > from objects that have no accessible object?
> >
> > Not possible AFAIK.
> >
> > > I would prefer that in this case, Orca would read the icon title, or
> > > if that's not set, the tooltip for the applet.
> >
> > I would prefer that the icon be named correctly, because if you get that
> > icon a name, Orca should automatically present it as you expect. :-)
> >
> > Given that the programmer has gone to the trouble of assigning the icon
> > a title for screen readers, what I'd be investigating are:
> >
> > 1. Does title mean accessible name, or does it mean something else (like
> > accessible object description or accessible image description)?
> >
> > 2. What widget has this title?
> >
> > 3. What widget is claiming focus?
> >
> > 4. Is the widget from question 2 the same widget as the one from
> > question 3? (i.e. and not a child or ancestor)
> >
> > HTH.
> > --joanie
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