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Re: [orca-list] date and time keybindings

Hi,
SÃb, 2010-05-01 Ãs 09:16 -0400, Jacob Schmude escreveu:

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Hi
Try an experiment. On a typical, desktop-style, full keyboard press
numpad+0 (insert) and F12. How comfortable is that? It's fine on a
laptop keyboard, as caps+f12 isn't that far off track, but on a desktop
keyboard you might as well go look at the panel... except that, in GNOME
2.30, we can't thanks to a regression in the clock applet.


Ok, you're right. If someone wants the f12/jaws behaviour for some
reason he can simply reassign keys. 

Yo continued:


If we don't like using two keys, then I propose orca+t to either speak
both the time and date at once (something similar to what Window-Eyes
does when you press insert+t) or have date as a double-tap of orca+t.


This is a good suggestion. I preffer the double tap for date instead of
one key to announce everything but it is just my oppion.


F12 is just too far out of the way, and there's no reason to copy JAWS
(which is what NVDA did) when we can make it better instead. I really
don't want to see Orca fall into the trap of copying other screen
readers just for the sake of compatibility. It does a disservice to the
users in the end. GNOME is not Windows, it will never be Windows, and
making Orca copy Windows products too much will cause problems when the
users run into something in GNOME that just isn't the same regardless of
screen reader. True, this is just a date/time keystroke, but I'm
concerned about precedent. Now it's date and time, will it be flat
review commands next because users have to learn something new and some
people think that's too hard? I raise the issue now, because f12 doesn't
make sense as a date/time key *except* for compatibility and only
compatibility with jaws.


You're asbolutly right.


Maybe I'm insane, but I'm concerned. Thoughts?


Not insane at all... 

Rui Batista

On 05/01/2010 09:02 AM, Rui Batista wrote:

Hi John, all,
SÃb, 2010-05-01 Ãs 07:48 +0100, Jon escreveu:

Hi,

Just a quick vote again.

Would people mind if orca+f12 was bound to present time, and orca+f12 
double click to present the date?

This would be the default keybinding from other screenreaders, so prefered 
for cross screenreader consistancy.


Since was me that proposed the patch in question I vote for orca+f12
key. Maybe is not that good on big keyboards though... Orca't and orca+d
might work alos but one of these days we run out of orca
+[some-alphanumeric-key].


This would currently clash with the firefox binding for "switch between 
orca and gecko caret navigation" in Firefox, (Thanks Attila for pointing 
this out), would people mind if the switching was done with a diffrent 
keybinding, and if so is there a prefered choice?


Maybe orca+f7, since f7 is used to togle the cursor in firefox and other
apps, people may be used to it somhow.

Rui Batista



Please reply to list

Follow the progress here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611576

Thanks

-Jon
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Rui Batista
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MSN/WLM: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com (don't send mail to this
one)
Skype: ruiandrebatista
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weblog: http://unreliabledevice.net
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