Re: [orca-list] GRML VS Ubuntu 10.04

[Øyvind Lode <oyvind lode gmail com>]

Hi:

There is a 64-bit test ISO of Arch.
I don't have the URL to the test image right now, but I can dig it up.
I can also upload the test image if you have a ftp/sftp server.

Chris Brannon (the creator of the talking Arch isos has also added brltty to
this image.
I contacted him regarding brltty, and he kindly added brltty.

I have done some testing of the 64-bit image and it works fine.

I'm going to run Arch64 on my web server.

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Michael Whapples
Sent: 13. mars 2010 13:50
To: Richard
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] GRML VS Ubuntu 10.04

Hello,
I don't know fully about ubuntu as I looked at it a long time ago and 
decided it wasn't for me. Some of the things which disturb me about it 
is: Why do they use unstable releases of gnome in their releases? 
Certain directions they have gone (eg. pulseaudio) and the difficulties 
you may have when you want to go against their decisions.

Now coming to GRML, I personally say as a LiveCD its good, but I don't 
know if I could recommend it as a system to be installed to HD (a shame 
as it has some nice scripts to help set up the system). I would say 
possibly look at going plain debian if you are thinking this way.

Another alternative I am considering more is ArchLinux. This uses its 
own packaging system so is different to most other distributions. Its 
the difference which had been my concern (anything not in its repository 
how might it be for installing, do you need to resort to from source 
with no distro specific instructions) but this doesn't seem to be too 
much of a problem, if its not in the repository look in AUR (link on 
www.archlinux.org) and if not there then you can create a build script 
yourself (I have been lead to believe this is fairly easy) and add it to 
AUR. I know from one of your previous emails you are interested in 
oracle database, in AUR there are build scripts for both oracle 10 XE 
and oracle 11g (can't say what state these are actually in, some 
comments on the oracle 11g page in AUR indicates the rolling release 
nature of arch doesn't help with installing oracle).

I notice you also saying about using GRML64, I assume then you are using 
a 64bit computer, now the talking installer for arch (the one listed on 
the arch wiki) says its only for 32bit. Well there may be a solution (I 
am saying may as I haven't got a 64bit computer to try this), it is 
possible to install from another LiveCD, GRML64 probably will be fine 
here (I intend to do a audio walkthrough on this, my information was 
based on a page on the arch wiki, but be aware that it talks about using 
a static build of pacman but since then they have altered the format of 
some packages which won't work with the static build of pacman, I will 
cover this in detail in the audio).

As a note, I am very much in favour of building up a system rather than 
starting from a large set up and removing/configuring it to what you 
need, ArchLinux and debian can fall in this category, ubuntu doesn't really.

Michael Whapples
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Richard wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Though I plan to use GRML 64 bit on my new system, I've read on this 
> list that Ubuntu 10.04 with Orca 2.29 and GNOME 2.29 is very good, in 
> comparison to 9.10 which has audio issues.  I assume that they got the 
> PulseAudio stuff taken care of, does this still apply, seeing as this 
> was written about in February?  I'm willing to test out the live cd 
> and give my impressions on both 32 and 64 bit.  Since this laptop is 
> 32 bit and my Mac is 64 bit, so is my new desktop.

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