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Re: [orca-list] Moving forward on Firefox

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Hi Steve
This does suggest to me that the bug is actually in one of the packages
that go along with Firefox, such as Xulrunner or Gecko. Since Ubuntu
Lucid is also seeing this with their Firefox 3.6 packages this makes me
suspect it even more. The Mozilla binaries do not use external gecko or
xul packages but use their own latest versions provided with them. For
the bookmarks bug my first suspect would be Xulrunner since that's what
renders and controls the dialogs.
One note though: I'd suggest installing the Mozilla binaries under your
home directory instead of /usr/local/lib. This way they will
automatically update properly without you having to manually run them as
root and check.

On 04/06/2010 12:54 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

Yeah, I downloaded the binaries for 3.5.9 and 3.6.3 from the Mozilla
releases directory this morning, I plan to install both of them in
/usr/local/lib and create separate shortcuts on the desktop to run
them on demand.  I can leave the Arch package in place so I would have
3 different versions to wompare with.  I'll have to check out the full
story this even when I get back home.  The only thing I can think of
that could make the ArchLinux package different could be the compiler
flags but when I looked over the PKGBUILD script I didn't see much but
the patches for default URLs, versioninging of some kind, and
something to do with language support.

I recalled one other time having a wierd bug when using the Arch
provided firefox package but when I eventually used a binary from
Mozilla, that wier bug hadn't shown its face again. <strange>

On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 10:27:32AM -0400, Jacob Schmude wrote:

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Hi Steve
Yep, I'm using 3.6.3. I'm absolutely positive about this. My exact about
string reads as follows:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401
Firefox/3.6.3
As for the system integration, you can get that with the Mozilla binary
too. Give it a shot, maybe it'll work. At least if it does we know the
bug isn't in Firefox itself anymore.



On 04/06/2010 02:11 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

Humm, I wonder what the difference could be.  I can't get this thing to
work at all on two different platforms but it seems to work for you
<sigh>.  You're sure you're using 3.6.3?

I might go out and download the strait binaries from Mozilla and remove
the Arch Binary; hopefully the Arch package maintainer isn't doing
something stupid to it.  Can't think of that possibility though.  though
I saw some patches being applied in the PKGBUILD script but have no idea
what for.  I like to use the package if possible because it gets
maintained by the distro package maintenance routine and integrates well
with gnome's internals such as spawning the program from e-mails and
right clicking of links in gnome terminal.  But anyway,  Is the
bookmarks organization library working for others as well?

On 04/05/2010 11:03 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
Hi Steve
Nope, can't reproduce this one either, at all. I can arrow up and down
through the folders without a hitch.

On 04/06/2010 02:00 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
  

I just checked out the save bookmarks dialog and the problem persists
there also.  To repro this, press Ctrl-D to begin saving a bookmark.
Then tab over to the "show all folders" button and press it.  Now try
and arrow up and down through the provided list.  For me, focus jumps
out to the Done button.  I's just like the other dialog in behavior.
The little bit of messing around in FF 3.6.3 hasn't really shown me a
change at all in performance but I've been in here but a short while.

This bookmark thing really means a lot to me and while broken, I must
remain with the older version til somebody figures what they broke and
can fix it.

On 04/05/2010 01:36 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
Hi Steve
As of a few minor updates ago, the bookmarks dialog doesn't seem to be a
problem anymore. I'm running Firefox 3.6.3 on my Ubuntu systems and can
manipulate bookmarks just fine. This was a minor update to 3.6.2, though
I don't know exactly when. In fact, with the caret navigation now
working pretty well (sorry Bill, haven't had a chance yet to test your
patches out) and the bookmarks problem fixed, I've moved over to 3.6
completely. There are certain situations where 3.6 gives me noteable
performance improvements particularly when using some types of
structural navigation on complex pages.


On 04/05/2010 07:47 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

    

On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 05:18:48AM -0400, Bill Cox wrote:

          

Yes, I believe the code that has been so problematic has been mostly
rewritten, and is now in much  better shape.  It is possible that we
could disable "Grab focus on objects when navigating", and "Use Orca
caret navigation".  I don't know what causes delays in Orca when
navigating large web pages, but I do think we need to improve the
performance if possible.

             

Yes, performance is a big issue.  I'm quite new to the developer side
of Orca as I'm just learning python and using git with more advanced
commands than 'clone'.  But thanks to the option to turn off grab
focus, recently added to Orca, that basic part of FF 3.6 is workable
again.  But another major concern for me has been the inability to
organize bookmarks in 3.6x.  When you arrow around in the bookmarks
organize dialog, focus constantly jumps out to the "More" button.  I
find it nearly impossible to use that feature and furthermore, if you
wish to save a bookmark, you can't pick and choose destination
folders
without the same navigation problems in that dialog.  For this
reason,
I've been sticking to version 3.5 for now.  I do realize I can't stay
there forever so these things need to be worked out.

I do feel aprehensive about branching off to a stand-alone version of
Firefox however; how easy would it be to get the
improvement/corrections rolled back into the mainline product?  I
don't wanna see us stuck with some "blind version" of the browser.

           

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