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Re: [orca-list] Insert Mode Toggle

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Let me stuff the balot box here by casting a vote also in favor of
splitting off the "six pack" insert key to be the native key and have
the KP_Insert (numpad) insert key be the only key to call up Orca
functions.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 02:10:21PM +0100, Paul Hunt wrote:

Hi,

Makes perfect sense to me to have the small insert key act as an insert  
key rather than the Orca modifyer.

I'm currently using only a laptop with Orca and caps lock is the  
modifyer and the one insert key I've got works as an insert key in  
laptop mode.

but when I move my desktop machine over to Linux (which will happen very  
soon) I'd definitley want the smaller insert key to be an insert key.  
I'd never use it as the Orca modifyer.

Paul


On 25/06/09 13:59, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Steve:

Thanks for commenting on the bugs. Having the comments there help us  
keep a history of the discussion around a particular feature in one 
spot.


I would like to say here that I modified my user-settings.py to only
use the KP_Insert key. I now can toggle the insert/overwrite mode
with the standard (six pack) insert key.


Excellent. If this provides you with much of what you were looking  
for, we can open it up to the list to see if people would want to  
stick with just KP_Insert for the Orca modifier. That is, if everyone  
is OK with getting rid of the Insert key and going solely with the  
KP_Insert key as the modifier for the desktop layout, we can quickly  
do that. That will give us some more time to work out other solutions  
for handling and customizing the Orca modifier key.


This does bring me to another question though. I would like to add
functionality to Orca to speak the word or portion of the status line
that shows the insert status when the insert key is pressed. Are
there any suggestions as to how I could go about this? I either could
map the insert key to speak a part of the screen or somehow get the
INS or OVR to dynamically speak whenever the word changes. Are any of
these possible? I figured that might be an easy to begin coding some
simple enhancements to Orca without bugging you guys to put this
feature in. On a similar note, I would like to create a hotkey to
speak the current row and column number in gedit. I would think this
could be easy enough since the line and column numbers are shown in
the status line.


We have an RFE open for "watched objects":  
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354466. This RFE would allow  
users to indicate interest in an object. Once interest has been given,  
Orca will notify the user of changes to that object.

There may be something you can use now, however. Orca's Where Am I  
functionality also allows you to get the information in the status bar  
via a keystroke. In the desktop layout mode, this is done by pressing  
Orca+KP_Enter twice.

Will



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:20:22AM -0400, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Steve:

There are some things we might consider here:

1) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536827 - Provide  
configuration GUI option to set the Orca key/modifier. This would  
allow you to more easily redefine the Orca key to something else.  
Right now, you can change the Orca modifier key, but it requires  
hand editing your ~/.orca/user-settings.py or  
~/.orca/orca-customizations.py files.

2) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373387 - Users should  
be able to lock/unlock the "Lock" modifier even if Caps Lock is the 
Orca modifier. While this bug talks about the Caps Lock key, the  
solution proposed is that a double tap of the key will let the key  
pass through.

Will

Steve Holmes wrote:

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After further testing, I conclude that the insert cannot be used nor
bypassed with Orca's bypass key. The bypass key passes through for
other keys but not the insert key <bummer>. I vaguely recall
something about this now that it comes back to me. But I did find
another way to turn insert mode on and off though more awkward. I can
use the flat review keys to find the "Insert" on the status line and
then use the numpad-slash key or left click to toggle the word.
Recycling flat review mode will expose the new word. It toggles
between Insrt and Over. I did this in Writer; haven't tried this in
gedit but am willing to bet this might be the same.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 06:33:44AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:

I've been noticing that in the general purpose text editor, gedit and
with Open Office Writer that the insert key doesn't seem to toggle
insert mode for the application. Is that because the insert key
serves as the "Orca" modifier key? If that be the case, how can we
toggle insert mode on and off in such applications as I mentioned
above? I know for a fact that the word "INS" on the status lines of
these applications never changes when I press the insert key and when
typing, I never get into over-write mode.

I'm using the desktop standard layout with the latest git pull 
of Orca
from this past weekend.

Thanks for any tips here.

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_______________________________________________
Orca-list mailing list
Orca-list gnome org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at  
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at  
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines


_______________________________________________
Orca-list mailing list
Orca-list gnome org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at  
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at  
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines




_______________________________________________
Orca-list mailing list
Orca-list gnome org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines

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