Re: [orca-list] Vinux 1.3 Released!

[Labrador <labrad0r edpnet be>]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:09:41PM +0100, Hermann wrote:
> On 24.02.2009 at 11:22:27 Labrador <labrad0r edpnet be> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bob:
> > 1: the need for special distros with a specific target have its origin in
> > the way things have been done wrongly in previous versions of Ubuntu,
> > especially since Gutsy->since braille autodetection have been
> > removed/prohibited, + since Hardy where the braille-device parameter was
> > completely wrongly formulated in /etc/brltty.conf, + run_brltty set to no
>
> If this is true, why do you insist to build Vinux on this inappropriate
> Ubuntu?

1: its built based on Intrepid NOT on Gutsy
2: its fixed in Vinux, read the site's info:
automated braille detection + gnome started up + automated login +
automated orca&espeak started. Need more? see version 1.3 released
yesterday.

> > 2: the way Ubuntu does implement accessibility is totally the unadequate
> > way:
> > people have blindly to choose their country and keyboard, then choose the
> > wanted accessibility feature (still blindly): alternate answers like
> > Adriane, Grml and Vinux may help some people whichfore the current Ubuntu
> > offer since Gutsy and until now is insufficient
>
> One note of clarification regarding GRML: It is not at all a "special
> solution" for the blind and/or visually impaired. It is a regular Linux,
> and it is designed to rely mainly on a text based version; a small GUI
> is added, but inaccessible, Xwindow managers are Fluxbox and Wmii.
> Brltty and Speakup have been added to make the standard GRML accessible,
> the "small" versions are not.
> Adriane is a different story, which to tell goes far beyond this list.

OK, yes you're right: Adriane is more near Vinux than Grml is (Grml is more
near Knoppix in its beginning long time ago: I had used it for rescue
purposes)
 
> > 3: comparing with Debian the Ubuntu installer is much more unfriendly than
> > the way the Debian team has concepted the D-I (Debian Installer):
> > instead of criticating you better ask yourself why does some crazy people 
> > take all their spare time to build alternates to the mainstream distros ?
>
> So I strongly would suggest to build the coming Vinux versions on Debian
> Lenny instead of Ubuntu. Your main problem - that annoying Pulseaudio
> stuff - does not exist there.

The problem I encounter with Debian is that the details clearly show it is
really built for the more advanced/professional user, while Ubntu is really
finetuned for lambda (ex-Win$ user) + packages are more recent as you know.
No its not because I'm a little bit criticating the accessibility-part of
the Ubntu installer that Ubntu itself is deprecated, non no I haven't said
this!
There are simply some elementary things that I want to see definitely
corrected in Ubuntu, and that concerns the accessibility and brltty and the
way we have to blindly choose things, that's all.

> > 4: Finally, the problem is not one of "segretgating ourselve" but the question
> > "does developers still listen to the street / to the people's needs?"
> > I have serious doubts sometimes, and that's really frustrating,
> > as it is frustrating to see bad bugs re-appearing or new one again and again
> > as if everytime the hole thing have to be reinvented.
> > What better answer can you give to such persistent situations? nothing but
> > an Adriane, Grml, Vinux IMHO.   
> Generally spoken: Do women segregate themselves when insisting to have
> their own projects? I think a naiv integrationism is out of date, and
> we shouldn't fall back to it. Things ain't that simple.

Agree.

> Hermann
Labrad0r