Re: [orca-list] Vinux 1.3 Released!

[Hermann <meinelisten onlinehome de>]

On 24.02.2009 at 11:22:27 Labrador <labrad0r edpnet be> wrote:

> Hi Bob:
> 1: the need for special distros with a specific target have its origin in
> the way things have been done wrongly in previous versions of Ubuntu,
> especially since Gutsy->since braille autodetection have been
> removed/prohibited, + since Hardy where the braille-device parameter was
> completely wrongly formulated in /etc/brltty.conf, + run_brltty set to no

If this is true, why do you insist to build Vinux on this inappropriate
Ubuntu?

> 2: the way Ubuntu does implement accessibility is totally the unadequate
> way:
> people have blindly to choose their country and keyboard, then choose the
> wanted accessibility feature (still blindly): alternate answers like
> Adriane, Grml and Vinux may help some people whichfore the current Ubuntu
> offer since Gutsy and until now is insufficient

One note of clarification regarding GRML: It is not at all a "special
solution" for the blind and/or visually impaired. It is a regular Linux,
and it is designed to rely mainly on a text based version; a small GUI
is added, but inaccessible, Xwindow managers are Fluxbox and Wmii.
Brltty and Speakup have been added to make the standard GRML accessible,
the "small" versions are not.
Adriane is a different story, which to tell goes far beyond this list.

> 3: comparing with Debian the Ubuntu installer is much more unfriendly than
> the way the Debian team has concepted the D-I (Debian Installer):
> instead of criticating you better ask yourself why does some crazy people 
> take all their spare time to build alternates to the mainstream distros ?

So I strongly would suggest to build the coming Vinux versions on Debian
Lenny instead of Ubuntu. Your main problem - that annoying Pulseaudio
stuff - does not exist there.

> 4: Finally, the problem is not one of "segretgating ourselve" but the question
> "does developers still listen to the street / to the people's needs?"
> I have serious doubts sometimes, and that's really frustrating,
> as it is frustrating to see bad bugs re-appearing or new one again and again
> as if everytime the hole thing have to be reinvented.
> What better answer can you give to such persistent situations? nothing but
> an Adriane, Grml, Vinux IMHO.   
Generally spoken: Do women segregate themselves when insisting to have
their own projects? I think a naiv integrationism is out of date, and
we shouldn't fall back to it. Things ain't that simple.
Hermann