Re: [orca-list] Copy, Cut and Paste feedback Orca feature request

["Isaac Porat" <isaac porat me uk>]

Hello Michael 

The screen reader in question checks if say text is selected.  If it is,
when you do Ctrl + c and Ctrl + x it will say 'copied' and 'Cut'
respectively.  If not it will say nothing selected.
I find it useful sometime when one jumps to edit boxes etc when the state is
unknown or text can not be selected so one knows if copy occurred or not.  I
don't think the clipboard is monitored as such it is the selection in the
application itself I think.
Otherwise there is no intelligence in respect to the paste for example if
one copies a file to the clipboard and one tries to paste it by mistake to a
text file it will still say 'Pasted' which I still find a sort of
confirmation that one pressed the right key but otherwise is of no real use.
So it is the copy and Cut mainly which give if you wish meaningful
confirmation.

Regards
Isaac

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Michael Whapples
Sent: 19 August 2009 13:39
To: Orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Copy, Cut and Paste feedback Orca feature request

Hello,
here are some of my thoughts regarding this. I have got very used to orca
not announcing this information, so I don't feel a great need for me to have
it. However I can see that for some it could be useful. I would say though
we do need to make sure it is done correctly. I can think of an example of a
screen reader on another OS which seemed to speak cut, copy and paste
regardless of what the action really was, I believe it did this because it
was set to speak cut on control x, copy on control c and paste on control v,
unless the settings file for the specific application said otherwise. This
example is as bad, possibly even worse than our current situation with orca
as its speech output could actually be wrong rather than non-existent.

Now Will's suggestion of a way of monitoring the clipboard directly (or
checking the clipboard) would be the best way as this doesn't depend at all
on the key presses. I haven't got a clue whether this would be possible or
not (either directly with at-spi (although Will doesn't think there is a
way) or through another application).

Isaac, do you have any clue as to how the screen reader you are thinking of
does this? Does it respond to the key press and then check whether cut, copy
or paste may have occurred or does it do it by monitoring the clipboard? I
know that the accessibility APIs on different OSs do differ in the way they
work, but it would indicate whether a satisfactory solution could be done by
monitoring the most commonly used cut, copy and paste keys (IE. ctrl+x,
ctrl+c and ctrl+v). As an example of my thinking here, we could make a
pretty good guess that something has been copied if the user presses ctrl+c
and there is something selected.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Isaac Porat wrote:
> Hello All
>
> The Cut, Paste and Copy feedback is a feature which I appriciate with 
> my screen reader in the other OS and wonder if other people share the 
> same view, I would like to suggest a similar feature in Orca.
> Please find below my communication with Will which will clarify the issue.
>
> I am looking forward to your feedback.
> Regards
> Isaac
>
> And the communication with Will...
> Hi Isaac:
>
>    
> > I send this to the list but received no feedback; perhaps lost among 
> > the discussion on text processing...
> > So I send this to you privately.
> >      
> Using the list would be preferred.  I get lots of e-mail and rely upon 
> others on the orca-list to help me out with answers.  I also prefer to 
> have public discussions around these kinds of things.  :-)
>
>    
> > A feature that I find very useful with my screen reader on that other 
> > operating system is feedback on Copy, Cut and Paste.
> > So If I try to copy something that was highlighted I press Ctrl + c 
> > and it will say 'copied'
> > If nothing is highlighted it will say 'nothing to copy' it works in a 
> > similar way with Cut.
> > With paste it will say 'pasted' and if there is nothing to paste from 
> > the clipboard it tells you 'nothing to paste'.
> > I find the above very useful indeed but as far as I can tell Orca 
> > does not do this.
> > Can I request this as a feature?
> >      
> Right now, I'm not sure there's anything in the AT-SPI that allows us 
> to know for sure that something was added to the system clipboard or 
> pulled from the clipboard.  There might be some other API's that can 
> help us, but I'm not sure.  I see something here, but I don't see a 
> way to be notified when something is posted to or copied from the
clipboard:
> http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkclipboard.html
>
> There might be some sort of D-Bus protocol for working with the 
> clipboard, but I'm not aware of it.  In addition, there seems to be a 
> GUI applet
> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/glipper/) for monitoring the clipboard.
> This might be something that could be scripted.
>
> In any case, if you open an enhancement request at 
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org against the Orca project, we can track it.
>
> Will
>
>
>
>    

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