Re: [orca-list] updating orca question



Hi,
 
I made a mistake (at least one :-) in the message below. When you are building Orca in a local directory, you don't need to use sudo in the install step. The commands should look like the following:
 
./autogen.sh --prefix=/home/deprice/orcabuild
make
make install
 
For context, I've also fixed it in the message below.
 
dave
 
----- Original Message -----
To: kyle
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] updating orca question

Hi, Kyle,
 
The "official" Orca response to this question is that you should be using the version of Orca that matches the version of the gnome desktop you are using. Essentially, Orca version 2.24.x should work well with gnome version 2.24.x  So, if you want to keep a stable version of Orca, you should stick with the 2.24 branch as long as your version of gnome is 2.24--you can find the version of gnome you are using from the following command:
 
gnome-about --version
 
That being said, I'm currently using Orca from svn trunk that is version 2.27.1pre with gnome version 2.24. As soon as Ubuntu 9.04 comes out, I'll upgrade to that, which has gnome 2.26. You risk instabilities in Orca if you use a version of Orca that does not match the version of gnome. If you are willing to take that risk and live on the bleeding edge, you can upgrade to Orca branch 2.26. Right now, it should work without problems, but that may not last into the future. If you want to try it, here is what I would suggest:
 
Check out the Orca 2.26 branch from svn, but put it into a different directory (keep your 2.24 branch as it is). This would be done  using the following command
 
 
Then cd into orca-2-26 and run autogen.sh, make, and sudo make install.
 
Next time you start Orca, you will be using version 2.26. Keep updating this branch by going into the orca-2-26 directory and follow the procedure you just used to update the 2.24 branch. If Orca 2.26 becomes unstable and you want to go back to the 2.24 branch,  do the following:
 
cd into the orca-2-26 directory  
sudo make uninstall
cd into the orca 2.24 directory (for you, it is currently ~/downloads/orca)
sudo make install
 
This will reinstall Orca 2.24, having removed anything incompatible from 2.26.
 
If you want to be even safer, you can do it a different way.  It involves installing a second version of Orca in a local directory. Decide where you want to keep the second version of Orca (I use a directory called orcabuild in my home directory (/home/deprice/orcabuild). Using that path as an example, here is what you do:
 
Check out the Orca 2.26 branch as described above
./autogen.sh --prefix=/home/deprice/orcabuild
make
make install
 
It is important that, each time you update the 2.26 branch, you need to have the --prefix switch on the autogen.sh command. If you follow this procedure, you will have the Orca 2.24 branch installed in the normal place and the 2.26 branch installed locally.  To start Orca 2.24, you just type orca on the command line as normal. To start the Orca 2.26 branch, you need to either move into the orcabuild/bin directory
and type ./orca or set up a symbolic link in a directory that is in your path that points to ~/orcabuild/bin/orca.  With this method, you can switch back and forth between different versions of orca very easily. Recognize, though, that this method also comes with a potential problem built in. If, in developing Orca 2.28, the Orca team makes changes to the way things are handled in your .orca directory (where all of the Orca settings are stored), you will run into problems switching back and forth.
 
As I said, you are moving out onto the bleeding edge and it comes with risks.
 
Hope this helps,
 
dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From: kyle
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] updating orca question

hi ok i've checked my version and I'm using 2.24 this means that I'm not using the latest branch from what you've said. Should I just wait keep doing svn update each week untill it updates? or should I be doing something different? sorry for all the emails. I've only been using linux for a few months and haven't found a lot on this.
----- Original Message -----
To: kyle
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] updating orca question

Hi,
 
I haven't looked, but I'm guessing that will be installed if you do the build-dep command--that is:
 
sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca
 
I'm guessing that, at some point, you did an autoremove and cleared away all the dependencies you need to build orca. Give it a try and see if it clears up the error.
 
Good luck,
 
dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From: kyle
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] updating orca question

well when I installed orca I only updated using the instructions poasted I didn't use the website. and yes the downloads/orca directery is corect. I tryed to do
 
sbn up and the autojen and got this message
 
                                       
Updated to revision 4662.                                                                
kyle ubuntu:~/downloads/orca$ ./autogen.sh                                               
/usr/bin/gnome-autogen.sh                                                                 graphic 322 checking for autoconf >= 2.53...                
                                       
  testing autoconf2.50... not found.                                                     
  testing autoconf... found 2.61                                                         
checking for automake >= 1.9...                                                          
  testing automake-1.10... not found.                                                     graphic 322   testing automake-1.9... found 1.9.6           
                                       
checking for libtool >= 1.5...                                                           
  testing libtoolize... found 2.2.4                                                      
checking for glib-gettext >= 2.2.0...                                                    
  testing glib-gettextize... not found.                                                  
***Error***: You must have glib-gettext >= 2.2.0 installed                                graphic 879   to build orca.  Download the appropriate package
for                                   
  from your distribution or get the source tarball at                                    
    ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.2/glib-2.2.0.tar.gz                                      graphic 
because I'm really trying not to brake things                                         should I now go download that with wget ftp etc and extract the try ./configure in the directery?
 
thank u for all your help its really apreciated
 
kyle

                                
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] updating orca question

Hi, Kyle,
 
Definitely not a silly question. To start off with, if you want to stay up to date with the Orca branch, you should update your version of Orca at least every time Will Walker sends out a message to this list announcing a new version of that branch (that is, 2.24.x).  That is a minimum. However, if you want to get the new features sooner, then you can update more often, such as every week or two. On the other hand, I don't know how often updates to the 2.24 branch will occur in the future, given that 2.26 has just been released.  I don't believe that they make many, if any, changes to a branch once they have released a newer branch. I'm sure Will or someone else on the development team will correct me if that statement is incorrect.
 
As to the method you described, a lot of it is no longer needed if you have built from a branch before. For instance, if you have followed this process once before, you will not need to install gnome-common, automake, or svn again. Also, once you have removed gnome-orca using apt-get, you never need to do that again. As for the command:
 
sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca
 
you shouldn't need to do that one again unless you have executed the following command:
 
sudo apt-get autoremove
 
It won't hurt to run any of these commands a second time--the output will just tell you that everything is up-to-date or that gnome-orca isn't installed.
 
If you have built a branch from svn before, all you need to do is get into the directory where you downloaded the svn source files (in your case, it looks like ~/downloads/orca, then do the following:
 
svn up
./autogen.sh
make
sudo make install
 
The "svn up" command downloads any new files or changes to existing files from the svn repository. If there are no updates to download, you'll get a message saying something like "at revision 4641". If you get this message, you need go no further. The other three commands build and install Orca.
 
Just for clarity, I should add one more thing.  If you had just continued using the gnome-orca package, you would have gotten the branch updates eventually. It takes some time between the release of a new version within the branch (those messages Will sends out) and the updates getting into the repositories for your version of Linux. Ubuntu has a reputation for doing this quickly, but I have no knowledge to back that up.
 
Hope this helps,
 
dave
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: kyle
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: [orca-list] updating orca question

Hi all sorry if this seems a silly question but I've been using ubuntu8.10 for a while and when i first installed I updated orca with the commands at the bottom of this message. I was reading threw a site just now and it says to stay up to date to do things a different way. so I'm wundering how do I best stay up to date with my orca instalation? should I use
 
 
or
sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca
sudo apt-get install subversion gnome-common automake1.9
mk dir downloads
cd downloads
svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/orca/branches/gnome-2-24 orca
 
./autojen.sh
 
make
 
sudo apt-get remove gnome-orca
yes u want to remove the old version because your instaling the new one.
 
sudo make install
 
ault f2 for a new terminal and type "orca" which will close and reopen orca.
 
I just want to stay on top of my updates to orca and ubuntu itself. I regularly do apt-get update apt-get upgrade aptget dist-upgrade but last I new orca wasn't encluded in any of the packages or updates?


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