[orca-list] Compare or not compare was: Re: Page presentation

[Hermann <meinelisten onlinehome de>]

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am Sa 17. Mai 2008 um 12:32:14 schrieb Krishnakant Mane <hackingkk gmail com>:
> On 17/05/2008, Jason White <jason jasonjgw net> wrote:
> > Some of us don't have Windows, and have never used Windows. If you look back
> > at my prior posts to this list, you'll notice that I haven't made any claims
> > about Windows. I don't think Janina has made such claims either, for that
> > matter.
> Well, I think mis interpritation of any email generally leads to such
> fights which are not just off topic but also derail the entire
> mission.

And I think such replies like "Come on you rich man buy us a Windows!" 
can't be missinterpreted.

> > What we're on this list for is to discuss Orca, and to help to improve it.
> exactly.  and since we are on this list at least most of us value
> their freedom and I strongly object any one taking name of any
> particular brand and speak about its cost etc.  Freedom is the most
> costly thing in this world and that is what we get with free software.
>   So it is my strong requesst, Please don't do any negative comparison
> of a certain proprietory software with free software.  this is
> absolutely below dignity for freedom fighters like myself and many
> others.  We better stick to improving our software with the help of
> the hackers community and do nothing else that starts a flame war.

How do we learn if not by comparism? How can you explain and improve a 
world you don't know and you even don't want to know it?
If we want to get anywhere, we must know the state of the art, and this 
means to compare the goals achieved by Windows and also by Mac with those 
we want to achieve.
This has absolutely nothing to do wit "dignity".

> > The
> > purpose of these discussions is to make Orca the best software that it can
> > be,
> > and to keep the community thriving.
> Exactly I second that.
> > Whether Windows is better or worse in this or that technical detail I really
> > don't care, as long as Linux accessibility continues to improve.
> Well many on this list might actually care.  it is not the question of
> whether this is better or that.  I don't find any comparison between a
> certain proprietory software and free software.  no proprietory
> software will give such huge scope for improvements and the freedom
> aspect can't be ignored.  So please give constructive feedback to help
> improve orca rather than talking about what americans use or how
> costly or cheep it is.
 
I completely disaggree. We have a lot of people here who come from Windows 
and they want to know Linux with Orca. It's normal that they come with 
certain aspirations and expectations and perhaps are disappointed to see 
such differences, to state it newtrally.
So we have to face their questions, suggestions and their comparism, if we 
are really willing to convince them of the advantages of Linux.
But sometimes I feel that common home users are perhaps not so welcome in a 
community that sometimes acts a bit elitarian. The Linux community seems 
to consist of professionals, and sometimes I get the impression that they 
don't want to change that.
Hermann