Re: [orca-list] suggestions for openoffice/orca improvements

["Krishnakant Mane" <hackingkk gmail com>]

On 17/05/2008, David E. Price <deprice cs utah edu> wrote:
> Hi, Will,
>
> Willie Walker wrote:
> > The presentation of crossing page boundaries is an interesting thing
> > that I don't believe Orca handles.  If Orca were to handle this (I'm
> > not sure if we get the info we need from OOo or not), what do you
> > suggest the presentation be for speech and braille?
> >
> > As for speech output, I would suggest two things.  First, the current
> > page numbershould always be available through "where am I" if that is
> > the method for reading the status line. Second, I would suggest that,
> > when the user is crossing a page boundary, the number of the page
> > being entered is read before the content of that line.   For instance,
> > if the sentence "orca is a screen reader that works well with many
> > gnome applications." spanned the page break between pages 1 and 2,
> > with the page break occurring between "works" and "well", the user
> > reading downwards would hear:
>
>
> > Orca is a screen reader that works
>
> > page 2 well with many gnome applications.
I second your idea david.
> > If reading "upwards" through the document, the user would hear:
>
>
> > "well with many gnome applications.
>
> > page 1 Orca is a screen reader that works
agreed.
> There are two ways that the user might hear these page indications.
> When reading using "read all", the page number announcements are a bit
> more jarring and out of place than when arrowing through the document.
> However, I think that the user could easily get used to hearing these
> announcements and process them out of the text being read.  However, one
> way I can think of to indicate that the page numbers are not part of the
> text would be to have a "system voice" with different voice
> settings--this voice would be used whenever speaking an announcement
> that is not part of the current context.  But, I don't think this is
> needed in this context.  Do others agree or disagree?
I feel this is what is called semantic speech output.  this is rather
the way it should be.  the most important reason I love emacspeak is
purely due to this reason.  as I have worked on accessibility concepts
for years now, I find many blind users appreciate the fact that there
are 2 voices one the reading voice and other as the attribute voice
which would indicate things like page numbers or raise its pitch when
there is bold or large font text etc.
By the way the status bar seams to have the page number and I
discovered with the use of flat review keys that I could get to the
page number which was indeed spoken along with a lot of information
which was not needed by me at that time.

> > My Braille skills are pretty poor, so I don't use a Braille display.
> > As a result, my knowledge of what might work well in that output mode
> > is poor.  I think that suggestions for this should come from Braille
> > users.
one major problem with that is regarding the spaceial location of the
page number indication on the braille display.  I have not used it
either but this problem comes to my mind instently.
> Thanks for all the work,
>
> dave
thanks Dev for all the good suggestions, thanks wili for all the support.
happy hacking.
Kk
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