OK, what is -nw -- I was not using that.
on Wednesday 05/07/2008 David E. Price(deprice cs utah edu) wrote
> Hi, John,
>
> There is another possible solution for getting speech support for emacs
> in
> gnome. Sadly, I'm not remembering the name of the program, but it works
> with
> speech dispatcher. So, if you configured Orca to work with Speech
> dispatcher, the two might coexist well within gnome. There are a number
> of
> people who monitor this list who are familiar with this program for
> emacs.
> Hopefully, one of them will provide its name. Otherwise, I'll probably
> remember by morning.
>
> I'm surprised to hear that you get no speech feedback when running emacs
> within a gnome-terminal with Orca. The minibuffer is not voiced
> properly,
> nor is there access to other relevant information on the mode line
> without
> using flat review mode. But, if I type the following at the prompt:
>
> $ emacs -nw fubar.txt
>
> I get lots of speech feedback--I can arrow around in the file and hear
> the
> lines of text that I am crossing, etc. (I'm using Ubuntu Gutsy, which
> may be
> the difference.)
>
> Good luck,
>
> dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John covici" <covici ccs covici com>
> To: "David E. Price" <deprice cs utah edu>
> Cc: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>; <orca-list gnome org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Emacs in gnome was [orca not speaking after
> screenis locked]
>
>
> > Well, I am not an emacspeak user, I thought gnome would give good
> > feedback -- I am using emacs with a speakup modified kernel and its
> > pretty nice,but it would be nice to do it in gnome because I could
> > click on a link and have it run in firefox instead of lynx in an
> > emacs terminal.
> >
> > If I run emacs from a gnome-terminal I hear nothing at all, not even
> > the echo area.
> >
> > on Wednesday 05/07/2008 David E. Price(deprice cs utah edu) wrote
> > > Hi, John,
> > >
> > > If you want to start emacs in a gnome terminal, you can type
> > > "emacs -nw
> > > [<filename>]". As Will stated, it is not nearly as good as
> > > emacspeak.
> > >
> > > Last I tried running emacspeak in an X window, there was a conflict
> > > with
> > > Orca. You could run either at a given time, but not both. If I
> > > tried to
> > > switch between them, everything in the X session would hang. Killing
> > > either
> > > emacspeak or Orca would free everything up again. Using the
> > > emacspeak
> > > speech server from within Orca will give you access to a hardware
> > > speech
> > > synthesizer (unless, as Will said, it has broken since), but it
> > > won't
> > > solve
> > > the conflict between emacspeak and Orca. Also, things got a bit
> > > squirrelly
> > > with the emacspeak speech server every time I opened the Orca
> > > Preferences
> > > dialog. (Given these problems, I never bothered to track down why I
> > > couldn't
> > > get emacs to start in an X window using my .emacs file--don't know
> > > if
> > > you
> > > would run into the same problem.)
> > >
> > > Sadly, there is no easy way to cut and paste between a console and
> > > gnome. My
> > > method to transfer data between emacs in a console and the gnome
> > > desktop
> > > is
> > > really clunky. When I need to do it, I save data to a file, then
> > > open
> > > the
> > > file up on the other side. Not pretty, but I've found no other way.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > >
> > > dave
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>
> > > To: <covici ccs covici com>
> > > Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca not speaking after screen is locked
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi John:
> > > >
> > > >> OK, thanks for that -- I do everything in emacs -- including
> > > >> Email
> > > >> and
> > > >> usenet, so this is a real bummer. So is there any way in the
> > > >> world
> > > >> to
> > > >> get text from a regular console into gnome, so I can use firefox
> > > >> rather than a text browser?
> > > >
> > > > I'm assuming you're an emacspeak user? If so, there is some level
> > > > of
> > > > functionality for Orca to use emacspeak for its speech output.
> > > > It's
> > > > been a long time since I tried it, though, so it might be broken.
> > > >
> > > >> And if you know, what would emacs have to do to itself to make it
> > > >> work
> > > >> with orca -- it is compiled with gtk and I thought this would
> > > >> make
> > > >> things speak.
> > > >
> > > > While the menus and such are probably accessible, I'd guess that
> > > > the
> > > > main text area of emacs is probably inaccessible and it would take
> > > > a
> > > > fair amount of work inside the guts of emacs to make it
> > > > accessible.
> > > > As
> > > > an alternative, you *might* try running emacs inside a
> > > > gnome-terminal
> > > > by unsetting the DISPLAY environment variable before running it.
> > > > But,
> > > > if you're an emacspeak user, this probably won't be satisfactory.
> > > >
> > > >> I did want xterm because of VT220 emulation -- is there another
> > > >> alternative for that?
> > > >
> > > > gnome-terminal provides some level of emulation, but I don't know
> > > > how
> > > > much you need.
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> on Monday 05/05/2008 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote
> > > >>> Hi John:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> xterm doesn't participate in the AT-SPI infrastructure, and
> > > >>> emacs
> > > >>> really
> > > >>> doesn't, either. So, you're not going to get good accessibility
> > > >>> with
> > > >>> them.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> gnome-terminal, however, provides a decent terminal that is
> > > >>> accessible.
> > > >>> Depending upon your needs, you might also try gedit for text
> > > >>> editing.
> > > >>> If you're an emacs power-user, though, gedit probably won't
> > > >>> cut
> > > >>> it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Will
> > > >>>
> > > >>> John covici wrote:
> > > >>>> OK, I will check that bug, other apps which I have found so far
> > > >>>> not
> > > >>>> working are emacs and xterm -- do you know the status of either
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>> those?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> on Monday 05/05/2008 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM)
> > > >>>> wrote
> > > >>>>> Hi John:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> There is a long standing bug with the screen saver:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350716
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If you add comments to the bug, we might get some renewed
> > > >>>>> interest
> > > >>>>> in it.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Will
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> John covici wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Hi. If I have the preferences set to lock the computer when
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> screen saver comes on, Orca will not speak what appears to be
> > > >>>>>> a
> > > >>>>>> password dialogue -- is there any way to get this working?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The
> > > >> question
> > > >> is:
> > > >> How do
> > > >> you spend it?
> > > >>
> > > >> John Covici
> > > >> covici ccs covici com
> > > >
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> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
> > How do
> > you spend it?
> >
> > John Covici
> > covici ccs covici com
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you spend it?
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