Re: [orca-list] Emacs in gnome was [orca not speaking after screen is locked]

["David E. Price" <deprice cs utah edu>]

Hi, John,

If you want to start emacs in a gnome terminal, you can type "emacs -nw 
[<filename>]".  As Will stated, it is not nearly as good as emacspeak.

Last I tried running emacspeak in an X window, there was a conflict with 
Orca.  You could run either at a given time, but not both. If I tried to 
switch between them, everything in the X session would hang. Killing either 
emacspeak or Orca would free everything up again.  Using the emacspeak 
speech server from within Orca will give you access to a hardware speech 
synthesizer (unless, as Will said, it has broken since), but it won't solve 
the conflict between emacspeak and Orca.  Also, things got a bit squirrelly 
with the emacspeak speech server every time I opened the Orca Preferences 
dialog. (Given these problems, I never bothered to track down why I couldn't 
get emacs to start in an X window using my .emacs file--don't know if you 
would run into the same problem.)

Sadly, there is no easy way to cut and paste between a console and gnome. My 
method to transfer data between emacs in a console and the gnome desktop is 
really clunky.  When I need to do it, I save data to a file, then open the 
file up on the other side.  Not pretty, but I've found no other way.

Hope this helps,

dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>
To: <covici ccs covici com>
Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca not speaking after screen is locked


> Hi John:
>
> > OK, thanks for that -- I do everything in emacs -- including Email and
> > usenet, so this is a real bummer.  So is there any way in the world to
> > get text from a regular console into gnome, so I can use firefox
> > rather than a text browser?
>
> I'm assuming you're an emacspeak user?  If so, there is some level of
> functionality for Orca to use emacspeak for its speech output.  It's
> been a long time since I tried it, though, so it might be broken.
>
> > And if you know, what would emacs have to do to itself to make it work
> > with orca -- it is compiled with gtk and I thought this would make
> > things speak.
>
> While the menus and such are probably accessible, I'd guess that the
> main text area of emacs is probably inaccessible and it would take a
> fair amount of work inside the guts of emacs to make it accessible.  As
> an alternative, you *might* try running emacs inside a gnome-terminal
> by unsetting the DISPLAY environment variable before running it.  But,
> if you're an emacspeak user, this probably won't be satisfactory.
>
> > I did want xterm because of VT220 emulation -- is there another
> > alternative for that?
>
> gnome-terminal provides some level of emulation, but I don't know how
> much you need.
>
> Will
>
> > on Monday 05/05/2008 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote
> > > Hi John:
> > >
> > > xterm doesn't participate in the AT-SPI infrastructure, and emacs
> > > really
> > > doesn't, either.  So, you're not going to get good accessibility with
> > > them.
> > >
> > > gnome-terminal, however, provides a decent terminal that is
> > > accessible.
> > >    Depending upon your needs, you might also try gedit for text
> > > editing.
> > >   If you're an emacs power-user, though, gedit probably won't cut it.
> > >
> > > Will
> > >
> > > John covici wrote:
> > > > OK, I will check that bug, other apps which I have found so far not
> > > > working are emacs and xterm -- do you know the status of either of
> > > > those?
> > > >
> > > > on Monday 05/05/2008 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote
> > > > > Hi John:
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a long standing bug with the screen saver:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350716
> > > > >
> > > > > If you add comments to the bug, we might get some renewed interest
> > > > > in it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Will
> > > > >
> > > > > John covici wrote:
> > > > > > Hi.  If I have the preferences set to lock the computer when the
> > > > > > screen saver comes on, Orca will not speak what appears to be a
> > > > > > password dialogue -- is there any way to get this working?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> > How do
> > you spend it?
> >
> >          John Covici
> >          covici ccs covici com
>
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