Re: [orca-list] Emacs in gnome was [orca not speaking after screenis locked]

["David E. Price" <deprice cs utah edu>]

Hi, John,

There is another possible solution for getting speech support for emacs in 
gnome. Sadly, I'm not remembering the name of the program, but it works with 
speech dispatcher.  So, if you configured Orca to work with Speech 
dispatcher, the two might coexist well within gnome.  There are a number of 
people who monitor this list who are familiar with this program for emacs. 
Hopefully, one of them will provide its name.  Otherwise, I'll probably 
remember by morning.

I'm surprised to hear that you get no speech feedback when running emacs 
within a gnome-terminal with Orca.  The minibuffer is not voiced properly, 
nor is there access to other relevant information on the mode line without 
using flat review mode.  But, if I type the following at the prompt:

$ emacs -nw fubar.txt

I get lots of speech feedback--I can arrow around in the file and hear the 
lines of text that I am crossing, etc. (I'm using Ubuntu Gutsy, which may be 
the difference.)

Good luck,

dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John covici" <covici ccs covici com>
To: "David E. Price" <deprice cs utah edu>
Cc: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Emacs in gnome was [orca not speaking after 
screenis locked]


> Well, I am not an emacspeak user, I thought gnome would give good
> feedback -- I am using emacs with a speakup modified kernel and its
> pretty nice,but it would be nice to do it in gnome because I could
> click on a link and have it run in firefox instead of lynx  in an
> emacs terminal.
>
> If I run emacs from a gnome-terminal I hear nothing at all, not even
> the echo area.
>
> on Wednesday 05/07/2008 David E. Price(deprice cs utah edu) wrote
> > Hi, John,
> >
> > If you want to start emacs in a gnome terminal, you can type "emacs -nw
> > [<filename>]".  As Will stated, it is not nearly as good as emacspeak.
> >
> > Last I tried running emacspeak in an X window, there was a conflict with
> > Orca.  You could run either at a given time, but not both. If I tried to
> > switch between them, everything in the X session would hang. Killing 
> > either
> > emacspeak or Orca would free everything up again.  Using the emacspeak
> > speech server from within Orca will give you access to a hardware speech
> > synthesizer (unless, as Will said, it has broken since), but it won't 
> > solve
> > the conflict between emacspeak and Orca.  Also, things got a bit 
> > squirrelly
> > with the emacspeak speech server every time I opened the Orca 
> > Preferences
> > dialog. (Given these problems, I never bothered to track down why I 
> > couldn't
> > get emacs to start in an X window using my .emacs file--don't know if 
> > you
> > would run into the same problem.)
> >
> > Sadly, there is no easy way to cut and paste between a console and 
> > gnome. My
> > method to transfer data between emacs in a console and the gnome desktop 
> > is
> > really clunky.  When I need to do it, I save data to a file, then open 
> > the
> > file up on the other side.  Not pretty, but I've found no other way.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>
> > To: <covici ccs covici com>
> > Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca not speaking after screen is locked
> >
> >
> > > Hi John:
> > >
> > >> OK, thanks for that -- I do everything in emacs -- including Email 
> > >> and
> > >> usenet, so this is a real bummer.  So is there any way in the world 
> > >> to
> > >> get text from a regular console into gnome, so I can use firefox
> > >> rather than a text browser?
> > >
> > > I'm assuming you're an emacspeak user?  If so, there is some level of
> > > functionality for Orca to use emacspeak for its speech output.  It's
> > > been a long time since I tried it, though, so it might be broken.
> > >
> > >> And if you know, what would emacs have to do to itself to make it 
> > >> work
> > >> with orca -- it is compiled with gtk and I thought this would make
> > >> things speak.
> > >
> > > While the menus and such are probably accessible, I'd guess that the
> > > main text area of emacs is probably inaccessible and it would take a
> > > fair amount of work inside the guts of emacs to make it accessible. 
> > > As
> > > an alternative, you *might* try running emacs inside a gnome-terminal
> > > by unsetting the DISPLAY environment variable before running it.  But,
> > > if you're an emacspeak user, this probably won't be satisfactory.
> > >
> > >> I did want xterm because of VT220 emulation -- is there another
> > >> alternative for that?
> > >
> > > gnome-terminal provides some level of emulation, but I don't know how
> > > much you need.
> > >
> > > Will
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> on Monday 05/05/2008 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote
> > >>> Hi John:
> > >>>
> > >>> xterm doesn't participate in the AT-SPI infrastructure, and emacs
> > >>> really
> > >>> doesn't, either.  So, you're not going to get good accessibility 
> > >>> with
> > >>> them.
> > >>>
> > >>> gnome-terminal, however, provides a decent terminal that is
> > >>> accessible.
> > >>>    Depending upon your needs, you might also try gedit for text
> > >>> editing.
> > >>>   If you're an emacs power-user, though, gedit probably won't cut 
> > >>> it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Will
> > >>>
> > >>> John covici wrote:
> > >>>> OK, I will check that bug, other apps which I have found so far not
> > >>>> working are emacs and xterm -- do you know the status of either of
> > >>>> those?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> on Monday 05/05/2008 Willie Walker(William Walker Sun COM) wrote
> > >>>>> Hi John:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There is a long standing bug with the screen saver:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350716
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you add comments to the bug, we might get some renewed interest
> > >>>>> in it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Will
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> John covici wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi.  If I have the preferences set to lock the computer when the
> > >>>>>> screen saver comes on, Orca will not speak what appears to be a
> > >>>>>> password dialogue -- is there any way to get this working?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >> -- 
> > >> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question 
> > >> is:
> > >> How do
> > >> you spend it?
> > >>
> > >>          John Covici
> > >>          covici ccs covici com
> > >
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> --
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
>
>         John Covici
>         covici ccs covici com
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