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Re: [orca-list] Orca 2.22.0 a bad regression

I want to emphasize that CSUN is much more than an evangelistic
opportunity. It's face to face time for developers and consumers alike.

Yes, of course it's disappointing when major problems crop up ahead of
events like CSUN, when customary response times slacken. However, one
can expect regressions when relying on leading edge software, whether or not a
conference is in progress.


To my mind, if it's mission critical, than it's imperative to provide an
workable escape route--what I like to call the "get out of jail free
card."


Here's what I know for sure. CSUN will be back in 2009 and 2010. It may
not be the perfect storm that appears to have arisen in 2008, but it
will be there the third week of March next year and for years following.
II can tell you today, a full year ahead, is that there will be releases
immediately ahead of CSUN 2009. I will not immediately install them on
my laptop, because my laptop will go with me to CSUN and I need to
insure it works. I will first test them somewhere I can afford problems.
This is the plan I've followed for years. It's my "get out of jail"
strategy. I don't know that any particular app will fail. But, over
time, some will and I believe an ounce of protection is certainly worth
a pound of cure.

Janina

Steve Holmes writes:

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One thing I might add in support of attending conferences, conventions
and the like, is this is yet another opportunity for evangelizing the
product.  We so often hear the complaint that not many blind folks use
Linux and they just glum on to Windows and the expensive screen
readers because they don't know, nor they willing to learn the
alternatives such as linux and now some gnome accessibility.  I would
hope that at places like CSUN, Site Village, ACB and NFB conventions
that either developers or even better yet, active users of the
alternative platforms could show up and do some "dog and pony shows"
of Linux, Speakup and Orca just to mention a few.

Glad you're back though.  One web site I went to last evening did not
exhibit the originally report problems.  http://www.scottsigler.com
I was there just briefly and successfully downloaded one of his
episodes of the podcast.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 09:21:48AM -0400, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Kenny:

Giving presentations and raising awareness is part of the development 
process.  CSUN is typically our one time during the year to do this. 
These few short days also represent a time where the small distributed 
team can get together face-to-face to debug and do additional planning. 
  It's also the one time during the year for us to interact with a large 
population of users and have valuable face-to-face conversations for 
problems specific to them.  Furthermore, it also represents a time to 
interact with other technology developers to lay the grounds for more 
open source work.

There will always be deadlines and dates out of our control, and 
everything this year was kind of a "perfect storm" of such things: GNOME 
2.22, Firefox 3 freezing, OpenOffice 2.4, CSUN, the GNOME Accessibility 
Outreach Program, etc.  They all occurred right around the same time and 
they all demanded attention.

These deadlines where not only complex to handle from the program 
management perspective, but they were also very high stress because 
things outside our control often changed and introduced unexpected 
regressions very late in the game.  When things outside our control 
broke (and they did), we would spend time to create detailed and 
informative bug reports for the offending components.  We would then 
work with the other teams in a professional manner to resolve the issues 
quickly.  We would also take the opportunity to provide patches for the 
other components if we were able to understand their code base.  This 
kind of working pattern helped keep things moving forward in a 
constructive manner.

During this difficult period, our dedicated team worked around the 
clock, and I believe we were very responsive to problems people were 
posting.  Unfortunately, we were not able to address them all.  There 
are more deadlines for GNOME 2.22.x releases -- 2.22.1 on April 7, 
2.22.2 on May 26, and 2.22.3 on June 20.  If you provide details for the 
specific problems you are experiencing, we can move forward in a 
constructive manner to resolve them for future releases.

Thanks,

Will

Kenny Hitt wrote:

Hi.  I'm very disappointed with Orca 2.22.0  I'm trying to read several web pages with Firefox and 
having no luck.
It looks like the only way to get access to Firefox back is to downgrade to Orca 2.20.  It does work 
there.
These aren't complicated pages.  At this point, you can't even read the Gnome user guide with Firefox 
and Orca 2.22.0.
What makes this really bad is it appears Orca developers knew Firefox access was broke, but they 
released it any way and then left for the week.
Showing off new things at a conference is good, but what about your user base?  Like it or not, you now 
have users who depend on Firefox access.

          Kenny

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