Re: [orca-list] Firefox3 and sayAll broken with latest trunk update

[Hermann <meinelisten onlinehome de>]

am Di 04. Mär 2008 um 21:24:23 schrieb Steve Holmes <steve holmesgrown com>:
> I agree.  Also, try sitting down with a sighted person some time and
> go over a web site with Jaws or Window-Eyes.  What they see is *NOT*
> what you hear.  What you hear is *NOT* what they see.  So you can
> never agree on what to click or where to find it and you end up
> quarreling over the thing.  

That seems to be a matter of taste, since I heard a lot of people 
argueing the other way: Sighted persons were not disturbed by the way 
you read out the page.
But this seems not a very strong argument against virtualisation, since 
there are different approaches:
http://www.webformator.com/
http://www.webbie.org.uk/
In both cases the sighted user can see how the page is presented to us.

> I also don't like how the virtual buffers
> used by Jaws and Window-Eyes linearize all links.  It's hard enough to
> skip past all those navigation links on so many sites. ...

what about keystrokes like "n" in Jaws and "x" in Window eyes? I'm 
missing such a feature in Orca, and I would like to have it instead of 
stuff like "o" and "shift+o", which I've never understood.
And keystrokes like Orca+left/right arrow only make sense in a line 
containing a lot of links; but what about tab and shift+tab? They do the 
same job. Outside of this areas the "Orca-arrow-key" feature seems to 
work stochastical.
And BTW.: In Jaws you can switch the pages view to original layout even 
when the virtual cursor is turned on; please take a closer look before 
judging.
Hermann