Re: [orca-list] Getting At Off-Screen Data: A specific case

[Peter Korn <Peter Korn Sun COM>]

Hi Janina,

Some sort of "find whole word" option might work there (I have a vague 
recollection that FF Find supports regular expressions).


Regards,

Peter Korn
Accessibility Architect,
Sun Microsystems, Inc.

> Sure does, Peter. Thanks. Not sure why I totaly spaced the FF Find
> feature, but I agree this removes this web site as a collection example.
>
> What about the other issue--the issue of getting quickly past the
> alphabetic list?
>
> Janina
>
> Peter Korn writes:
>   
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > With any accessible problem, there are often several solutions.  Whether 
> > one is "better" than the other is often the subject of (at times heated) 
> > debate.
> >
> > Whether or not this is the "right" solutions, I offer it up as a fast one.  
> > It is also illustrative of what I think is often the appropriate location 
> > of an accessibility solution - in the mainstream product.
> >
> > Do accomplish your #4 below, I just used the Find command in Firefox, 
> > typing "Once to", and I was on the link. I then hit ESC to get out of the 
> > find dialog, leaving the link "Once to Every Man And Nation" highlighted.  
> > <CR> followed the hyperlink..  I could also have used the Firefox "find as 
> > you type" feature (or whatever is the correct name). 
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter Korn
> > Accessibility Architect,
> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> >
> >
> >     
> > > I've been trying to work with a web site that doesn't work out well
> > > today, but I suspect will work much better with Orca and FF3 once we
> > > have something called the Collection API implemented and available to us
> > > users. I present this here because we will need several real world use
> > > cases to test. Besides, I'm quite sure my example isn't the only
> > > example, and that I'm not the only one with this kind of problem.
> > >
> > > Here's the situation. I am using very recent Orca and FF3, usually
> > > current releases. In any case the behavior has not changed application
> > > release to application release.
> > >
> > > As a church musician currently engaged on Sunday mornings, I find
> > > resources such as http://cyberhymnal.org invaluable. They have over 6K
> > > hymns there, with lyrics, midi files, and historical information about
> > > the hymns. They even publish scores, though in a Win proprietary format,
> > > .nwc, that I haven't tried to convert to anything yet.
> > >
> > > This site is usable with Orca and FF3, but it can be very hard to use
> > > because often the data available through a particular page has not yet
> > > been rendered on the page. A simple set of steps will illustrate:
> > >
> > > 1.)     Open http://cyberhymnal.org
> > > 2.)     Actuate the "Titles" hyperlink
> > > 3.)     Actuate the "o" hyperlink. The site's 6K hymns are alphabetized.
> > > 4.)     Tab to the list of hymns and find the hymn entitled:
> > >
> > >         "Once To Every Man And Nation"
> > >
> > > It took me over 10 minutes to get there. The title is on the list.
> > > Scrolling down arrow on the list of hymns will take you there
> > > eventually.
> > >
> > > *       You can't invoke Orca's Find successfully, because the data
> > > *       isn't rendered.
> > > *       You can't just hold down-arrow down to let the list scroll fast,
> > > *       because the speech buffer won't flush--at least not with either
> > > *       espeak or ttsynth on my systems.
> > >
> > > Is this a candidate for Collection?
> > >
> > > A second annoying issue here is the need to tab through the alphabet
> > > whenever you select a different alphabetic char--to get the hymns whose
> > > titles start with that letter. This also quickly becomes annoying. I
> > > believe the remedy for this one is W3 Aria Landmarks, yes?
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > >   
> > >       
>
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