Re: [orca-list] Getting At Off-Screen Data: A specific case

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

Sure does, Peter. Thanks. Not sure why I totaly spaced the FF Find
feature, but I agree this removes this web site as a collection example.

What about the other issue--the issue of getting quickly past the
alphabetic list?

Janina

Peter Korn writes:
> Hi Janina,
>
> With any accessible problem, there are often several solutions.  Whether 
> one is "better" than the other is often the subject of (at times heated) 
> debate.
>
> Whether or not this is the "right" solutions, I offer it up as a fast one.  
> It is also illustrative of what I think is often the appropriate location 
> of an accessibility solution - in the mainstream product.
>
> Do accomplish your #4 below, I just used the Find command in Firefox, 
> typing "Once to", and I was on the link. I then hit ESC to get out of the 
> find dialog, leaving the link "Once to Every Man And Nation" highlighted.  
> <CR> followed the hyperlink..  I could also have used the Firefox "find as 
> you type" feature (or whatever is the correct name). 
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Korn
> Accessibility Architect,
> Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>
>
> > I've been trying to work with a web site that doesn't work out well
> > today, but I suspect will work much better with Orca and FF3 once we
> > have something called the Collection API implemented and available to us
> > users. I present this here because we will need several real world use
> > cases to test. Besides, I'm quite sure my example isn't the only
> > example, and that I'm not the only one with this kind of problem.
> >
> > Here's the situation. I am using very recent Orca and FF3, usually
> > current releases. In any case the behavior has not changed application
> > release to application release.
> >
> > As a church musician currently engaged on Sunday mornings, I find
> > resources such as http://cyberhymnal.org invaluable. They have over 6K
> > hymns there, with lyrics, midi files, and historical information about
> > the hymns. They even publish scores, though in a Win proprietary format,
> > .nwc, that I haven't tried to convert to anything yet.
> >
> > This site is usable with Orca and FF3, but it can be very hard to use
> > because often the data available through a particular page has not yet
> > been rendered on the page. A simple set of steps will illustrate:
> >
> > 1.)  Open http://cyberhymnal.org
> > 2.)  Actuate the "Titles" hyperlink
> > 3.)  Actuate the "o" hyperlink. The site's 6K hymns are alphabetized.
> > 4.)  Tab to the list of hymns and find the hymn entitled:
> >
> >      "Once To Every Man And Nation"
> >
> > It took me over 10 minutes to get there. The title is on the list.
> > Scrolling down arrow on the list of hymns will take you there
> > eventually.
> >
> > *    You can't invoke Orca's Find successfully, because the data
> > *    isn't rendered.
> > *    You can't just hold down-arrow down to let the list scroll fast,
> > *    because the speech buffer won't flush--at least not with either
> > *    espeak or ttsynth on my systems.
> >
> > Is this a candidate for Collection?
> >
> > A second annoying issue here is the need to tab through the alphabet
> > whenever you select a different alphabetic char--to get the hymns whose
> > titles start with that letter. This also quickly becomes annoying. I
> > believe the remedy for this one is W3 Aria Landmarks, yes?
> >
> > Janina
> >
> >   

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