Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL?

["Rich Caloggero" <rjc MIT EDU>]

Seems tpo me that WEB VISUM COULD DO THIS KIND OF THING. Google's AXSJax is
also supposed to add live region markup automagically, but its hard to
imagine how an automated script could "guess" as to exactly which parts of
the interface should be made "live".

Sounds like something the user should have control of via the adaptive
technology being used, or plugin like web visum.

Just my two cents.
-- Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina rednote net>
To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL?


> I'm not meaning to speak for Milan, but my interpretation of the problem
> is that we need a way for users to define ARIA type handling where web
> authors have not done so.
>
>
> A case in point:
>
> http://tunnelbroker.net
>
> This site breaks a11y with its js script that continuously updates its
> estimate of when we will run out of IPv4 resources. In fact, it drives
> up the load and will eventually crash the machine if FF isn't stopped.
>
> Quick and dirty workaround: Add the following two lines to your
> /etc/hosts ...
> ::1             entne.jp entne
> 127.0.0.1               entne.jp entne
>
> Why does this workaround fix the problem on Tunnel Broker? Because the
> js script that runs that rapidly auto-yupdating "Live Region" is sourced
> from entne.jp. Thus, defining the address of entne.jp as localhost via
> the most ancient of Internet mechanisms effectively blocks that script
> from being sourced. Assuming none of us has reason otherwise to
> communicate with entne.jp, it's a workable work-around, but it's not a
> solution.
>
> As things stand, the end user of tunnelbroker.net has no other
> solution--except perhaps a Firefox plugin filter for that address--same
> workaround strategy. We can write to Tunnel Broker and ask them to add
> ARIA ml, and perhaps we should, but this will not solve all such
> emerging issues. I could supply other examples, but the bottom line is
> unchanged. Perhaps it's not an Orca issue, perhaps its a FF issue. But
> we need mechanisms for users to define live-regions and set their
> preferred politeness levels, etc., etc re ARIA.
>
> Janina
>
>
> Willie Walker writes:
> > Hi Milan:
> >
> > I'm not sure, though I suspect the answer is "no".  :-(  Instead of
> > using XUL, have you considered using an ARIA-based toolkit such as Dojo?
> >
> > Will
> >
> > On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 19:51 +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote:
> > > Is there some equivalent of live regions (recognizable by Orca) in XUL?
> > > I.e. a way to mark parts of a XUL user interface which would be
> > > recognized by Orca as potentially changing?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Milan Zamazal
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