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hi Janina,
thank you very much for taking the time to answer my email this thorroly. as you have guessed I am a beginner when it comes to linux. I only managed to install feisty ubuntu and then I think I managed to build the environment "sudo apt-get build-dep gnome orca". it threw no errors on me and if I repeat the step it tells me I already have everything installed. (can't remember the exact phrase). then I also managed to install subversion and gnome-common modules successfully "sudo apt-get install subversion gnome-common" and when I repeat this step it would say that subversion is already the latest version and that gnome-common is also the latest version already. I guess this is all and fine so far, although it really took me time to realise that I at times don't have patience to make it continue the work. I press the left ctrl key too quickly, and when it becomes silent and I review the screen to find nothing new, I assume that ubuntu has finished downloading stuff. obviously, I was wrong! but anyway, as I said, gnome-orca environment and subversion as well as gnome-common are surely up to date as we speak. now is the headache, I issue svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/orca/trunk and I never get it to continue downloading no matter how much I leave it. the error that autogen didn't exist, I figured out, had to do with that. I managed to ge most files by repeating the steps more than once, but not everything. now it would tell me that there were some files missing. what is worse is that if I issue the svn command once again it would say that the directory is locked and that I need to issue svn cleanup. when I do it tells me that file so and so is not under version control, and so the work stops there. I do realise that I am playing in the dangerous stuff too early, and that I should practice with something simpler, but I really can't use orca without access to firefox. to me a computer with no net is not so useful. I never would have learned all I know by now if it wasn't for the fact that I had this adventurous soul! what does Jenina say I can do? I am sure I wouldn't have faced all the above if I could get orca and firefox via ftp, but since I don't know how to use the net under linux, I just wonder how I will ever get the files. I know the addresses, and I can open firefox and go to them, but what then? how do I navigate to get to the desired download? if possible, more details from anyone would be appreciated. before I call it an email, and I am sorry it has already been lengthy, I would like to thank everyone for their guidance. herman's help got me out of trouble so often, although I know nothing about linux. long lives open source and its spirit. thank you Mohammed al-shar' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina rednote net> To: "Mohammed Al-shar'" <mohammed atexplorer com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] more progress > Mohammed Al-shar' writes: >> hi listers. >> >> I have achieved more progress with my new feisty installation. I managed >> to build the invironment and got the latest orca source by issuing svn co >> http://svn.gnome.org/svn/orca/trunk >> now I want to install it. > > Just to be very clear, you have to build it before you install it. What > you retrieve from subversion is source code which must be compiled into > object code before it can be installed and executed. Depending on the > package, this can be a very simple task, or a very complicated task. So, > if you're a beginner, you might want to practice with simple > applications. Orca is not as complex as a package like Firefox, but > neither is it simple like many packages that just do small tasks. You > are responsible, for instance, to insure that the various libraries Orca > requires are correctly installed and linked on your installation. > > I tried to issue ./autogen --prefix=/usr but it said no file or directory. > > Here's a case in point. From where did you issue this command? What does > the command pwd say if you issue pwd just before your ./autogen.sh? > Also, is there a ./autogen.sh in that pwd? Does an ls -l show it, and is > it executable? > > PS: Did you actually forget the .sh or is there really not one? > >> I tried to become root by "su - root" it asked me for my password and >> when I put the pass I configured while installing it said "sorry, >> authontication failed". > > OK, you're showing me that you're a beginner. That's OK, but it does > suggest to me that you might want to learn building packages starting > with something simpler than Orca. > > Why do I say that? > > su - root > > is redundant. su - will do. More usefully, if you've added your ordinary > user to group wheel in /etc/group, what most of us do, you would rather > do sudo su - > > One more point, there is a system level user called root. If you set > your installation up correctly, root would have a password different > from your ordinary password. The error you're getting suggests you're > either entering the wrong password, or are making mistakes typing root's > correct password. If you've forgotten root's password you'll need to > boot your installation into single user mode in order to be able to > reset this password. It's a security thing. It's part of the reason why > Linux is so much less likely to get viruses and other malware than other > OS. > > Now here's the problem: You can't use orca in single user mode. You do > not get a gui desktop in single user mode. For single user mode you'll > need a screen reader like Speakup or a braille terminal application like > brltty. But, you're going to need one of these anyway. If you mean to be > building applications, I seriously doubt you will be able to rely on the > desktop alone. Just my two cents advice. > >> >> where to go from here. ideas? > > Open the terminal under accessories. Just practice becoming root. Until > you can do that, you can't install anything. > > Step 2: Once you become root, cd to the directly which has the source > code for orca and then try your ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr > > PS: the --prefix/usr tells the configuration program to create the orca > building files for an eventual installation in the /usr directory tree, > as opposed to the customary default of /usr/local. > > Now, one last thing ... > > It's OK and probably useful to learn to build applications from scratch. > But, you really should take this one step further. You should really > learn to build .deb packages. Ubuntu uses apt (which relies on .deb > packages) to manage software that's installed. What dos this mean? It > means it works to insure your system remains stable, that the various > packages you install have all their required dependencies and that these > don't conflict one with another. When you build by hand, nothing is > doing this important work for you. So, what I'm really suggesting is > that you go to the ubuntu.org site and find the documentation about how > to build packages for ubuntu feisty. If you take that approach, you can > use the tools that ubuntu provides to insure your builds of orca are > good desktop citizens. Otherwise, you'll almost certainly introduce > problems for yourself further down the road. > > OK, I can't specifically tell you how to do that, because I'm a Fedora > user, and I only know how to build packages for Fedora which uses yum > and rpm to manage dependencies and avoid convlicts. But the underlying > principles are the same. > > Good luck, and I hope this has helped you understand what's going on. > Also, please forgive if I've not correctly understood your > sophistication with package building. I do not mean to offend. > > Janina > >> >> thank you all. >> mohammed al-shar' >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list gnome org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina a11y org > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina a11y org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > > |