Re: Finding existing PPP connection?

[Dan Williams <dcbw redhat com>]

On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 10:23 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
> Huh, I've got multiple modems configured just fine (in FC5).
> And as for the username/password, I just use web/web.
> You could also supply it and then add 'noauth' to the PPP options.

Right; Sprint doesn't require username/password for it's data
connections, either with PAM/tethered or with CDMA cards.  Does Verzion
or other CDMA providers?  I gather that GSM-based providers usually _do_
require username and password.

Dan

> -derek
> 
> "Jason Greb" <jgreb electronerdz com> writes:
> 
> > I can probably use the generic system (Gnome) network connections to
> > create a dial up connection. There is only two problems. One is I can't
> > seem to add multiple modems (as if I had the Sprint Card, and a built-in
> > traditional modem), and the other is that Sprint doesn't need (and I
> > believe doesn't even work with) a username. I can't create a connection
> > in Gnome without a username. The Close/Apply button goes grey until you
> > enter a username. I also can't do special things like persistent
> > connections (the connection drops after 150 minutes or so) and lcp echos
> > (unless this is all written to ppp0 in Ubuntu).
> >
> > What about two different plugins for PPPD and WVDial? Just how many
> > dialers are there? I only know of the two, but I am sure there are some
> > others out there... But they probably don't run NM on those computers
> > anyway.
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: networkmanager-list-bounces gnome org
> > [mailto:networkmanager-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Derek Atkins
> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:08 PM
> > To: Dan Williams
> > Cc: NetworkManager-list gnome org
> > Subject: Re: Finding existing PPP connection?
> >
> > With SprintPCS I've always been able to just configure the connection
> > via the Fedora Network configuration tool, then it shows up in NM and I
> > can just turn it on and off.  This was true with my old 1xRTT service
> > and appears to be the case with the EVDO service, too (although I'm in a
> > physical location where the EVDO service drops in and out).
> >
> > So, I see no reason that NM can't do this as-is.
> >
> > -derek
> >
> > Quoting Dan Williams <dcbw redhat com>:
> >
> >> On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 16:19 -0500, Darren Albers wrote:
> >>> You can and it works just like any other modem except I dial #777 (Or
> >
> >>> whatever the vendor wants you to dial) and use a generic username 
> >>> with no password.  The Chatscript is provided by the phone vendors 
> >>> (Or at least Sierra Wireless provided one for my card).  I think some
> >
> >>> providers require a PIN but I am not sure how that is handled.
> >>
> >> I'd like to do these bits as automatically as we can, I think.  For 
> >> example, can wvdial automatically figure out your modem init strings?
> >> Or does it _really_ need a chat file?  How different are the various 
> >> carrier PPP servers?  Stuff like that...
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>> gprsec (http://gprsec.linuxforum.hu) is the tool I currently use for 
> >>> my Cingular (GSM card) and I just use pppon for my on-call Verizon 
> >>> (EVDO Card).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Darren
> >>>
> >>> On 12/14/06, Dan Williams <dcbw redhat com> wrote:
> >>> > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 11:03 -0500, Jason C. Greb wrote:
> >>> > > What about looking to see if ppp0 is an active connection? I have
> >
> >>> > > a program called conky that I run on the desktop, and it polls 
> >>> > > ppp0. When it gets an IP address, it displays it along with 
> >>> > > transfer statistics. I have the same problem as Matej, because I 
> >>> > > can't make VPN connections because NM doesn't know it's
> > connected.
> >>> >
> >>> > Yeah, I know that's a problem.  But I'd like to do this the "right"
> >
> >>> > way, even if it takes a few more weeks or such.  Which means doing 
> >>> > the hard integration work and making it "Just Work" rather than 
> >>> > trying to shoehorn in stuff to accommodate the 10 different ways 
> >>> > Linux distros currently do PPP stuff.
> >>> >
> >>> > Quick question though; for those of you doing PPP over GPRS/EDGE or
> >
> >>> > EVDO cards, can you use wvdial?  What does your connection process 
> >>> > look like and how did you set up the card/connection?
> >>> >
> >>> > Dan
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Jason
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 10:23 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> >>> > > > On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 16:06 +0000, Matej Cepl wrote:
> >>> > > > > Hi,
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > I know there are some attempts to make PPP working with NM,
> >>> but I have
> >>> > > > > slightly more simple answer. Is it possible to *discover*
> >>> existing PPP
> >>> > > > > connection with NM created by other means (i.e., running
> >>> wvdial in su-ued
> >>> > > > > gnome-terminal)? I have incredibly crappy connection (or bad
> >>> support for
> >>> > > > > PCMCIA GPRS card in Linux, I don't know), so it takes me
> >>> three or four or
> >>> > > > > more attempts to get connection, but then it would be nice
> >>> if NM could
> >>> > > > > find out that the connection happened and inform other
> >>> programs (Epiphany,
> >>> > > > > Evolution, etc.) about being connected, and if NM would be 
> >>> > > > > able to establish VPN connection over that. Is it possible, 
> >>> > > > > or I am
> >>> just dreaming
> >>> > > > > RFE?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Probably dreaming for an RFE, sorry :)  There's no really good
> >>> way I can
> >>> > > > think of to detect an already running PPP instance since the
> >>> pieces just
> >>> > > > aren't there to do it well.  Hence the work to make PPP more 
> >>> > > > integrated...
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Dan
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
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