Re: Some questions

On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 23:35 +0200, Leonard den Ottolander wrote:
Hello Pavel,

On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 02:44, Pavel Roskin wrote:
Releasing a version that doesn't compile with the latest compiler
against the latest libraries could affect credibility of the project.

Not doing a release for years even though there has been significant
progress is what affects the credibility of the project.

I agree.

Already in december 2004 we had sort of finished the TODO for 4.6.1. It
is your over exaggerated "perfectionism" and lack of trust in your
developers that is hampering the project. If you don't have time to
check everything yourself you should try to rely more on people that are
actually doing the work. This doesn't mean your opinion is not or should
not be valued, but most of the issues you are concerned about (gcc-4.0
and slang-2) didn't even exist in december 2004 when development on the
4.6.1 branch was sort of frozen.

I agree except the fact that nobody has ever told me that all e-mail was
read and acted upon in some way.

I believe the developers are quite willing to address all the issues you
bring up before the release of 4.6.2 (or 4.7.0 for that matter). But the
continued delay of a rather good (maybe not perfect) release of 4.6.1 is
what is chasing away developers. And it is bringing users in harms way
for putting up a barrier to do an upgrade to a release that addresses
some significant security issues. Hiding behind the responsibilities of
downstream distributors would be a very lame excuse.

I'm not sure I understand you here.  I'm not against a release.  I'm
just saying that I cannot do it properly at this time.  If someone else
can take the responsibility for the project and make a release, I'm fine
with it (provided that the maintenance is transferred openly, and all
interested parties have their say).

You should stop demotivating all the people that are actually working on
this project by finally doing a release of 4.6.1 (sure, we should fix
some warnings before that, but this is a point point release, it doesn't
have to be perfect, just better than the previous). If you would put
more trust in your developers and the input of the people frequenting
mc-devel it shouldn't take too much of your time to maintain this
project and still maintain a rather high quality standard.

I see what you mean.  You are saying that I could concentrate on
maintenance rather that review and discuss every patch about Python
keywords or something like that.  If it's OK for everyone, I can do it.

If you want me to make a release from the 4.6.1 branch, I can do it
within a few days.  I'll need to move some stuff from the HEAD branch
though just to make it easier for everyone.  In particulate, the Alt-O
behavior should be consistent.

Pavel Roskin

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