Re: community managers

Hi Jon,

On 11/15/2012 09:12 PM, William Jon McCann wrote:
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Dave Neary wrote:

    I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our
    vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is.

I think this is the main thing I wanted to say. I have been involved in the GNOME project, albeit not as a core developer or module maintainer, since 2004. And I do not understand our vision. What is the dream that we're selling, and why should I be excited about it?

    For instance, the insistence that
    theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has
    led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got
    grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking
    about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers,
    translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers).

Let's be clear then. Cinnamon is not GNOME 3.

I understand that is your position. And I understand that as the maintainer and primary designer of GNOME Shell, you have a lot of weight in holding that position.

I think it's a shame that Cinnamon users don't realise, for the most part, that they are using GNOME Shell, and the rest of the GNOME 3 stack. I think that it's a shame that we have apparently gone out of our way to put a barrier between ourselves and the Cinnamon/Mint guys by saying "you're not GNOME 3". The message we're sending is, "your help is not wanted, we don't like what you're doing".

Personally, I think that it'd be cool to have our community be the community of people who can go wild on the platform - "let a thousand flowers bloom". That the core GNOME project is solid and useful, but that we encourage experimentation, respins, freedom for our users. That seems inconsistent with the current GNOME messaging.

The discussion of brand
was in relation to the stability of extensions and the impact on the
user experience - and was taken out of context. Neither of these have
led to missed opportunities. Continuing to misrepresent or misunderstand
what we are trying to do and trying to say doesn't help us communicate
our vision, does it?

I certainly misunderstand what you are trying to do. I don't think I know what the GNOME 3 vision is. Would you mind helping me understand better?


Dave Neary, Lyon, France
Email: dneary gnome org
Jabber: nearyd gmail com

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