Re: GNOME weekly roundup (was Re: community managers)

[Lucas Rocha <lucasr at mundo gmail com>]

Maybe it would be simpler to just do a Google+ Hangout?

--lucasr

On 15 November 2012 06:34, Sriram Ramkrishna <sri ramkrishna me> wrote:
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> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Karen Sandler <karen gnome org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, November 14, 2012 7:58 am, alex diavatis wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, alex diavatis
>> > <alexis diavatis gmail com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you try an YouTube channel. A weekly 5' show kinda like:
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>> I love the idea of maybe doing a weekly audio recording of this week in
>> GNOME. I could potentially do this as an interview with a different key
>> person each week, if it's not too long. Perhaps a half hour each time? I'm
>> wary of video as I think that will take a lot of work...
>>
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> slightly off topic:
> The youtube channel idea seemed pretty good but it was hard to manage.
> Mostly because I had a hard time figuring out how to tag posts for GNOME.
> Maybe I'm missing something there.  Design guys are always throwing up video
> on their thoughts.  A missing opportunity IMHO.
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>> Do others think this is a good idea? Alex, would you want to help with it?
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> It depends.  I would set it up almost like an RSS feed postcast.  That would
> make it more automatic and something people can subscribe to.
>
> sri
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>> karen
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>> >> This week in Gnome...[ie new features]
>> >> We cannot support this because .. [ie theming API]
>> >> In Gnome 3.. [discuss/explain some features and how to use desktop]
>> >> In Gnome 3.. [tech news]
>> >>
>> >> It will take only two hours for each person to do this, and you can
>> >> rotate
>> >> This week, Allan, next week Seif, week after next Sri and so on.
>> >>
>> >> YouTube is by far the most popular media to promote a product, plus you
>> >> will have a more "personal"
>> >> connection with people.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Oops that was going to previous thread [reddit IAMA GNOME
>> > developer/designer] sooorry :)
>> > - alex
>> >
>> >>
>> >> - alex
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Seif Lotfy <seif lotfy com> wrote:
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>> >>>
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>> First I love the idea of a community team. KDE already has such a team
>> >>> with a good mission (http://ev.kde.org/workinggroups/cwg.php).I think
>> >>> studying their history and experience would be beneficial to the
>> >>> community
>> >>> team.
>> >>>
>> >>> After discussing this Lydia from KDE, it looks more like a "Public
>> >>> Relations" team more than a "Community Management" team. Both do have
>> >>> some
>> >>> common tasks. I think a Community team should encompass a PR team.
>> >>>
>> >>> Agreed. We have a problem communicating our vision internally and
>> >>> externally.
>> >>> Internally it seems like not all of us are on the same page, e.g:
>> >>> "theming will damage our brand". Or systemd dependencies etc. Do all
>> >>> "high
>> >>> profile" GNOME contributors agree on this?
>> >>>
>> >>> Before communicating to the outside world that "XYZ" is a fact we need
>> >>> to
>> >>> at least agree on it internally. Taking the liberties with ones own
>> >>> modules
>> >>> without general consensus inside the community leads to friction and
>> >>> arguments. This is something that a community team should work on,
>> >>> make
>> >>> people inside the community get along, reduce friction.
>> >>>
>> >>> As a community team another mission would be working on communication
>> >>> between devs, on mailing lists and bugs. Damage caused by snarky,
>> >>> arrogant
>> >>> or dismissive remarks should be controlled and positive communication
>> >>> efforts have to promoted and praised.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just my 2 cents
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>> Seif
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary <dneary gnome org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because
>> >>>>> everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or
>> >>>>> perceived actions.  For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet
>> >>>>> again
>> >>>>> the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of
>> >>>>> maintenance
>> >>>>> and sustainability.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our
>> >>>> vision,
>> >>>> because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision
>> >>>> has
>> >>>> either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not
>> >>>> got
>> >>>> clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For
>> >>>> instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that
>> >>>> Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the
>> >>>> GNOME
>> >>>> project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME
>> >>>> community
>> >>>> (and
>> >>>> I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors -
>> >>>> developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers).
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>  After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to
>> >>>>> convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their
>> >>>>> application.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I disagree with your analogy.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>  I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers.  10 volunteers who start
>> >>>> out
>> >>>> as
>> >>>>> community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing
>> >>>>> other
>> >>>>> things within the project.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I currently have four as of right now.  Need to recruit six more!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the
>> >>>> rot.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> Dave.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
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>> >>>> Email: dneary gnome org
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