Re: GNOME weekly roundup (was Re: community managers)

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Karen Sandler <karen gnome org> wrote:
On Wed, November 14, 2012 7:58 am, alex diavatis wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, alex diavatis
> <alexis diavatis gmail com>wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Why don't you try an YouTube channel. A weekly 5' show kinda like:

I love the idea of maybe doing a weekly audio recording of this week in
GNOME. I could potentially do this as an interview with a different key
person each week, if it's not too long. Perhaps a half hour each time? I'm
wary of video as I think that will take a lot of work...

slightly off topic:
The youtube channel idea seemed pretty good but it was hard to manage.  Mostly because I had a hard time figuring out how to tag posts for GNOME.  Maybe I'm missing something there.  Design guys are always throwing up video on their thoughts.  A missing opportunity IMHO.
Do others think this is a good idea? Alex, would you want to help with it?

It depends.  I would set it up almost like an RSS feed postcast.  That would make it more automatic and something people can subscribe to.


>> This week in Gnome...[ie new features]
>> We cannot support this because .. [ie theming API]
>> In Gnome 3.. [discuss/explain some features and how to use desktop]
>> In Gnome 3.. [tech news]
>> It will take only two hours for each person to do this, and you can
>> rotate
>> This week, Allan, next week Seif, week after next Sri and so on.
>> YouTube is by far the most popular media to promote a product, plus you
>> will have a more "personal"
>> connection with people.
> Oops that was going to previous thread [reddit IAMA GNOME
> developer/designer] sooorry :)
> - alex
>> - alex
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Seif Lotfy <seif lotfy com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> First I love the idea of a community team. KDE already has such a team
>>> with a good mission ( think
>>> studying their history and experience would be beneficial to the
>>> community
>>> team.
>>> After discussing this Lydia from KDE, it looks more like a "Public
>>> Relations" team more than a "Community Management" team. Both do have
>>> some
>>> common tasks. I think a Community team should encompass a PR team.
>>> Agreed. We have a problem communicating our vision internally and
>>> externally.
>>> Internally it seems like not all of us are on the same page, e.g:
>>> "theming will damage our brand". Or systemd dependencies etc. Do all
>>> "high
>>> profile" GNOME contributors agree on this?
>>> Before communicating to the outside world that "XYZ" is a fact we need
>>> to
>>> at least agree on it internally. Taking the liberties with ones own
>>> modules
>>> without general consensus inside the community leads to friction and
>>> arguments. This is something that a community team should work on, make
>>> people inside the community get along, reduce friction.
>>> As a community team another mission would be working on communication
>>> between devs, on mailing lists and bugs. Damage caused by snarky,
>>> arrogant
>>> or dismissive remarks should be controlled and positive communication
>>> efforts have to promoted and praised.
>>> Just my 2 cents
>>> Cheers
>>> Seif
>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary <dneary gnome org> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>>>>> As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because
>>>>> everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or
>>>>> perceived actions.  For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet
>>>>> again
>>>>> the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of
>>>>> maintenance
>>>>> and sustainability.
>>>> I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our
>>>> vision,
>>>> because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of
>>>> the
>>>> project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision
>>>> has
>>>> either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not
>>>> got
>>>> clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For
>>>> instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that
>>>> Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME
>>>> project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community
>>>> (and
>>>> I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors -
>>>> developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers).
>>>>  After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to
>>>>> convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their
>>>>> application.
>>>> I disagree with your analogy.
>>>>  I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers.  10 volunteers who start out
>>>> as
>>>>> community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing
>>>>> other
>>>>> things within the project.
>>>>> I currently have four as of right now.  Need to recruit six more!
>>>> Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the
>>>> rot.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave.
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>>>> Email: dneary gnome org
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