Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]

[Sriram Ramkrishna <sri ramkrishna me>]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Akshay Vyas <akshayvyas29 gmail com> wrote:

Hi

Dave Neary

about mint,i suggested that too but i think there is still sm
confusion about mint.
Linux Mint is full GNOME 3.0 i don't really think that MInt is GNOME
derivative because
MGSE is just an extension to GNOME plus some extra extensions provided
by Linux Mint that can be removed from Gnome tweak tool in order to
get full GNOME 3.0

Now that I'm feeling a little better.. let me add some comments:

Cinnamon isn't really GNOME 3, it's GNOME 3 made up to act like GNOME 2.  Deisgn-wise it is going backwards.

Don't get me wrong, I think Clem and others have done a great job in accomplishing their goal and commend them for it.  It shows off the power of GNOME 3 extensions and what it can do.

If consider what we as a project want to accomplish and where we want to go under those auspices then Cinnamon doesn't quite fit the criteria.

I would definitely use Cinnamon as a case example of how powerful GNOME 3 that you can actually implement GNOME 2 or even XFCE if you wanted to.

Bryen mentions this:
> Wouldn't we want people to see derivatives of GNOME and still associate
> the name "GNOME" in their minds  no matter what?

I guess it depends.  The difference between GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 is that GNOME 2 as a windows derivative and thus the experience is somewhat derivative of windows plus some linuxism.  GNOME 3 is the first time we're struck out on our own and creating our own experience.
The question is centered around  how we brand GNOME "Is GNOME the experience or the pieces that make up GNOME?"  Allen and others would argue that GNOME is the experience, that's what the design centric path we've taken in GNOME.  I think it is an easier argument to argue for the experience than talking about the components.

Why?  Because we would have to argue what set of components is equivalent to "powered by GNOME".  The argument might seem simple until you actually start doing it.  There might be maintainers who might object to having their project labeled as "powered by GNOME" because it would feel like we were taking advantage of them.  There is also the whole GNU/Linux mess.. 

In general, we would get bogged own in the specifics.  Hopefully I'm making some sense here..  I'm still a little under the weather thanks to this cold.. but I wanted to chime in on this thread.

sri
 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Bryen M Yunashko <a11yrocks bryen com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:03 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote:
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>> >Para: a11yrocks bryen com
>> >CC: Juanjo Marín <juanjomarin96 yahoo es>; "marketing-list gnome org" <marketing-list gnome org>
>> >Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 19:53
>> >Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
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>> >>Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say "powered by GNOME" why would
>> >>that be a bad thing?  We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our
>> >>GNOME logo appears in more places.  If those derivatives choose to pay
>> >>homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them.  :-)
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>> >>Bryen
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>> >I'm with Bryen - I really don't see how having our name on compuers would in any way be a bad thing. I keep looking for someplace with reasonable linux stickers -  I really want a tux & something that says GNOME & not just the logo. Actually now that I've checked their site I'll probably end up buying some of theris:)
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>> Well, so far, all we agree to go with the stickers :-)
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>> The "cons" of the GNOME and derivatives debate: There are many people out there confused out there about what GNOME, GNOME.3, GNOME shell, Unity, Unity 3D, Unity 2D, GNOME classics, fallback mode, CInnamon, Mate, GNOME panel, etc are.
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>> Cheers,
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>>      -- Juanjo Marin
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> I'm confused about what many of the things are on OSX, Windows, KDE,
> etc. because I don't use them.  Its quite natural for people to not
> understand what all these names mean when they're not actually using
> them.  Desktops have many components.  That's the way it is and always
> will be.
>
> But "mindshare" is a different thing from "marketshare."  Mindshare
> speaks to branding familiarity.  And if you see all those things you
> listed above with "powered by GNOME" that only helps us, not hurt us as
> it increases our mindshare.  People see GNOME name no matter where.
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> You can kind of make a similiar analogy to how Ubuntu does this.  I'm
> sure a noumber of us have shown our non-Ubuntu desktop to some person to
> introduce them to another "Linux" and they go "Oh yea, that's Ubuntu"
> and we have a bit of a challenge to explain to them... no  this desktop
> isn't Ubuntu, its $Linux.  But mindshare is there, people equate in
> their mind that when they see $Linux, they see Ubuntu.  (Not bashing
> Ubuntu here.)
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> Wouldn't we want people to see derivatives of GNOME and still associate
> the name "GNOME" in their minds  no matter what?
>
> Bryen
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