Re: [guadec-list] Training workshops at GUADEC

[Lasse Schuirmann <lasse schuirmann gmail com>]

> > https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC/2016/Workshops/ContributeToAnOpenSourceProject
>
> I'd appreciate it if you made it clear in the title that this workshop is
> about contributing *code* to a project.

It's not necessarily, our newcomer issues often include documentation
problems as well. What is not included is internationalization or not
well defined topics as they pose a barrier to learning the workflow
which is the main goal.

I'd be happy to make the title more clearer if this is still required.

> On a more technical note, I think it would be much more valuable to the
> GNOME project if the contributions during the workshop were using the GNOME
> workflow, to a GNOME-hosted repository.

I totally understand that, however I will not be able to offer this
workshop with any GNOME repository. We, i.e. the coala community, have
taken an extensive effort to provide newcomer friendly issues so
newcomers can learn the workflow instead of being confused. I have
never seen such an issue in GNOME. (And yes, I know gnome-love, it's
still quite a barrier.)

I will not offer this workshop with a GNOME repository because quality
will suffer. Maybe somebody else can do it if that is an absolute
requirement. Our workflow is derived from the GNOME one and features a
rebase based process with a linear history.

People will learn everything they need for contributing to GNOME and
also learn about workflows using by other projects. The goal is
specifically *not* about enabling them to contribute to coala but
about giving them the knowledge to learn the workflow of any project
and having tried out one of the more complicated ones goes a long way
for this.

If people can contribute to coala they can contribute to GNOME, the
only difference is they push the patches with git bz instead to a
branch of their fork.

I hope this helps understanding.

Lasse

> > 2016-04-12 14:41 GMT+02:00 Ekaterina Gerasimova <kittykat3756 gmail com>:
> > > On 12 April 2016 at 17:49, Benjamin Berg <benjamin sipsolutions net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Di, 2016-04-12 at 12:39 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
> > > > > Btw. can't you add a "Workshop" type of thing to the CfP system? One
> > > > > thing
> > > > > to rule them all, would be easier...
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, it would be more consistent. I am not sure it would simplify
> > > > matters a lot from an organizational point of view though. So right
> > > > now, I doubt that it is worth the trouble.
> > >
> > > I don't think it's a good idea for the moment. Workshops and talks are
> > > quite different with different requirements in terms of things to
> > > consider when picking out good ones and who is a good person to pick
> > > them out.
> > >
> > > > Benjamin
> > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > Lasse Schuirmann
> > > > >
> > > > > contact viperdev io
> > > > > http://viperdev.io/
> > > > >
> > > > > 2016-04-12 12:13 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg <benjamin sipsolutions net>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Di, 2016-04-12 at 11:45 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
> > > > > > > I'd certainly still be interested but won't have the time to
> > > > > > > coordinate
> > > > > > > everything around this as always. GSoC's going crazy right now
> > > > > > > and I'm
> > > > > > > doing stuff for too many orgs here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope I can work out a few rough proposals, post them here and
> > > > > > > let you
> > > > > > > choose which you like so I can refine.
> > > > > > OK, someone will need to make a couple of executive decisions
> > > > > > though,
> > > > > > as I won't be the person actually doing the workshops. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think a few questions are missing for the workshops IMO:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - How long should the workshop take? (Half day, day, two days
> > > > > > > possible?)
> > > > > > It is planned for 1 full day right now (i.e. August 11th).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - What should participants be able to do after the workshop.
> > > > > > > (Helps
> > > > > > setting
> > > > > > > expectations right and usually also helps planning very much.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Few organizational questiosn:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Do we have any idea about the target audience? Very important
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > workshop holders to know.
> > > > > > I am totally fine with you deciding on the exact audience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ideally, I think it would be nice to have something that targets
> > > > > > (local)
> > > > > > students who are interested in free software and hopefully GNOME.
> > > > > > So my
> > > > > > guess is that it makes sense to expect some prior knowledge, but
> > > > > > not much
> > > > > > actual experience (e.g. they know what git is, but have never send
> > > > > > a patch
> > > > > > upstream).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Will you be able to organize material locally? That usually
> > > > > > > includes
> > > > > > lots
> > > > > > > and lots of sticky notes and threeish pieces of custom printed
> > > > > > > paper per
> > > > > > > participant. A projector with a few adaptors.
> > > > > > Sorry, I didn't forward that list to you. We will provide a seminar
> > > > > > room with the following:
> > > > > >  * projector
> > > > > >  * blackboard
> > > > > >  * WiFi and 1-2 LAN ports
> > > > > >  * multiway power extensions (1 socket per person)
> > > > > >  * chairs/tables
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adaptors are on my todo list to check and ping later. Anything else
> > > > > > should be requested so we can organize something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Didn't think about paper/sticky notes before, sounds sensible to
> > > > > > include that for all workshops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Are there tables, arrangeable for group work?
> > > > > > Yes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - For longer workshops, at least some water would be nice to
> > > > > > > prohibit
> > > > > > > dehydration.
> > > > > > Good point. Noted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - It'd be great to have a BoF related or accompanying every
> > > > > > > workshop. A
> > > > > > > very critical point is to get people to try out the stuff even
> > > > > > > after the
> > > > > > > actual workshop. Knowing a place where they can come and hack
> > > > > > > *and ask*
> > > > > > > would be awesome. IMO we should encourage workshoppers to
> > > > > > > organize a BoF.
> > > > > > Oh, that is a good idea and easy to implement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Would be nice to have feedback sheets so we can measure the
> > > > > > > success and
> > > > > > > impact of the workshops. This is one big experiement so let's not
> > > > > > > forget
> > > > > > > gathering data.
> > > > > > Interesting, thought. For whatever reason I hadn't considered that
> > > > > > yet,
> > > > > > even though I have done exactly the same thing for other events.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Added it to my list. Biggest task is to figure out the questions to
> > > > > > put
> > > > > > on the sheets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Benjamin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lasse Schuirmann
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > contact viperdev io
> > > > > > > http://viperdev.io/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2016-04-12 11:30 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg <benjamin sipsolutions n
> > > > > > > et>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mi, 2016-01-27 at 14:27 +0000, David King wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I have done some introductions to git and GNOME inspired
> > > > > > Workflows,
> > > > > > > > > > > maintaining projects properly in two universities
> > > > > > > > > > > recently and
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > seemed to like it. I could think of turning this into a
> > > > > > > > > > > workshop
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > there is demand.
> > > > > > > > > > Yeah, something like a GIT and maybe FOSS basics workshop
> > > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > great to see!
> > > > > > > > > I'd be happy to help plan and deliver these. I can only do
> > > > > > > > > them in
> > > > > > > > > English, so some German speakers might be good too (hi
> > > > > > > > > Lasse!)
> > > > > > > > are you two (Dave, Lasse) still interested?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It would be great to have descriptions for the workshops up
> > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > registration starts. So if you are still up for it, then I
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > appreciate it if one of you could step up to coordinate the
> > > > > > > > effort and
> > > > > > > > decide more precisely what we can offer at GUADEC :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To be more specific, the information I am looking for is:
> > > > > > > >  * Title of the workshop
> > > > > > > >  * Short Description (for an overview page)
> > > > > > > >  * Long Description (for detailed page)
> > > > > > > >  * Expected prior knowledge
> > > > > > > >  * Pre-Requisites for attendees (e.g. VM with certain packages)
> > > > > > > >  * Minimum/Maximum number of Attendees
> > > > > > > >  * Name of everyone giving the workshop
> > > > > > > >  * Should your employer be listed as a sponsor?
> > > > > > > >  * Will you need travel sponsorships?
> > > > > > > >  * Optional: bio (+ image) for website
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Benjamin
> > > >
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