Re: [GnomeMeeting-devel-list] SIP and GnomeMeeting - please comment

[Damien Sandras <dsandras seconix com>]

I prefer to not answer to this and let you believe you are right or that
thread will continue forever. I'll ignore your personal attacks from now
on and do as I had not read the mails.

Just a few precisions:
- translators are not considered as developers, a developer is somebody
who codes on the software. That doesn't mean translators are not doing a
good job or useful, that's just something different.

- impressions or not, you do not have to comment about me and tell on
mailing list I've said libs suck when that's not true. I consider this
as a personal attack against me, not against the project. So don't try
to say now that "I choose to interpret criticisms about GM development
and directions as personal attacks". It has nothing to do with GM
development, you don't have a clue anyway about GM development.

- I do not have time to write a replacement for Esound or the GNOME
sound management, things will improve with GStreamer/MAS. Believe me or
not but I'm already spending all my spare time on gnomemeeting and
FOSDEM and I can't do more. And yes, non-GNOME users are a concern for
me, you have to think to non-GNOME users when you code an application.
GnomeMeeting is not *only* used by GNOME users, far from that.
GnomeMeeting is also being ported to other platforms than Linux, where
GNOME libs are not ported, and no, I have no time to port them.

Le lun 24/02/2003 à 01:48, Christian Rose a écrit :
> mån 2003-02-24 klockan 01.20 skrev Damien Sandras:
> > > I'm also kind of worried that you classify other people's differing
> > > opinions as "flames". That's surely not productive, especially as you
> > > asked for opinions/comments with the general direction to begin with.
> > > Don't ask for it if you don't want differing opinions.
> > 
> > I don't classify "differing opinions" as flames. I'm classifying as
> > "flames" opinions where people tell that I've said things when that's
> > not true.
> 
> I didn't claim you've said particular quotes. I commented on the general
> impression I got from your mails, both recent and older ones, which
> relates to the direction GM is taking. Perhaps you need to be clearer
> about your intentions, or it's just me that's confused. I wouldn't know.
> 
> 
> > When you tell I've said things like "those libs have always sucked and
> > will always suck". That makes me angry. Do you think I would have
> > created *GNOME*Meeting if I had thought GNOME libs suck?
> 
> Read my mails again. I never claimed you said such things. I claimed
> that was the impression I got. Don't accuse people of misquoting you
> when they're not.
> 
> 
> > "as if they were set in stone, impossible to improve and not improved
> > for you or written by you" "NIH syndrome" -> Those affirmation seem to
> > be personal attacks, so flames as it has nothing to do with GnomeMeeting
> > itself but with me.
> 
> Everything I sad had everything to do with GM development and nothing
> with you as a person. You know that. You just happen to be the
> maintainer and lead developer, and if you choose to interpret criticisms
> about GM development and directions as personal attacks that's up to
> you.
> Everything I said is true for all GM developers (including me, to what
> extent I'm still considered a developer). There seems to be little
> effort provided for actually fixing the GNOME stuff related to GM that
> happens to suck currently, but rather a lot more effort in duplicating
> those things in order to remove dependencies, which is somewhat
> worrying. If everyone goes off duplicating sucking functionality and
> writing their own homebrewn or otherwise custom implementations then
> that means those things will still continue to suck forever, which helps
> noone.
> 
> 
> Christian
> 
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