Re: GNOME.org update
- From: Gil Forcada <gforcada gnome org>
- To: David Bain <david bain alteroo com>
- Cc: gnome-web-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: GNOME.org update
- Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 15:37:08 +0200
Sorry to enter the discussion ...
El dj 05 de 08 de 2010 a les 16:07 -0500, en/na David Bain va escriure:
> Andy,
> I think what you said explains why Plone was chosen, I wonder if this
> a technology issue at all.
Actually you hit the correct spot. It has been both a lack of man-power
(i.e. Plone developers) and lack of concrete steps & goals (i.e. who
takes the decision on what to do next).
My 5 cents,
Cheers,
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Andy Thornton
> <andy thornton gmail com> wrote:
> I think it's a case of evaluating the right tool for the job.
> Wordpress is an amazing platform, but putting that aside it's
> very much designed from the ground up as a blog platform. It
> can work nicely as a simple CMS system, but anything outside
> of a basic setup requires some extensive modding / coding to
> achieve the functionality you would need for building an
> enterprise class website.
>
>
> I have worked on a number of migration projects where the
> initial choice of architecture was built around a tool similar
> to Wordpress / Typepad / Expression Engine / Joomla and found
> it can only take you so far in achieving what you need from a
> CMS system.
>
>
> For CNN I built a proof of concept site to migrate away from
> expression engine to Drupal. The site was eminently more
> scalable and a lot of the "shoe horned" functionality from the
> blog platform, had native hooks in Drupal which made it easier
> to add extensive functionality without a heavy development
> footprint. Drupal was designed for that specific purpose and
> Wordpress for another.
>
>
> I think it all comes down to comfort level, I am comfortable
> to with both platforms, but for a website of the complexity
> and scale of gnome.org I would recommend Drupal, the multisite
> features alone would work well with all the different websites
> that make up the Gnome brand.
>
>
> Apologies if my email is intruding on the conversation, I am
> new to the group and love every aspect of the Gnome project.
>
>
> Cheers Guys
>
> Andy Thornton
> mobile: 404.932.7858
>
> www.bohemianpixel.com | @bohemianpixel
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Jonathan Wilde
> <jonathan speedbreeze com> wrote:
> I'm concerned about the lack of information here about
> this new
> WordPress implementation. I don't know if a demo site
> will offer
> enough information to make an informed decision. Is
> there a public
> source control repository somewhere where we could
> review the code?
>
> I also have concerns regarding the long-term
> flexibility of WordPress
> for GNOME. I've worked with WordPress for years and
> have been
> continually pleased about how WordPress makes it very
> easy to get a
> site up. However, I've found that it is often rather
> difficult to
> make significant design/architectural changes to large
> WordPress sites
> after-the-fact without essentially re-writing the
> custom components.
> And judging by the stops-and-starts we've had here, a
> theme rewrite,
> regardless of which platform we choose to build on,
> will be difficult.
> Being a very active and vibrant organization, I think
> that we can
> expect that GNOME will have changing needs over time.
>
> As with anything else, it's important to choose the
> right tool for the
> job. Would you build server software with
> Actionscript? No. Even
> though Actionscript might be an easy-to-learn
> solution, you'd be
> better off in the long-run using Erlang or Scala
> because they tend to
> scale better in concurrent environments.
>
> Similarly, WordPress is an easy solution that is great
> for smaller
> sites with relatively static needs. But will it be
> flexible enough
> and scale to GNOME's needs in the long run? I'm not
> so sure. On top
> of this, data migration is difficult. It will
> probably be difficult
> to move over to another solution in the future.
>
> As for issues with the existing Plone instance:
>
> Paul Cutler wrote:
>
> > > Our largest blocker has always been localization
> support and the demo
> > > did include basic localization support
>
> I've seen some tweets [1] regarding issues with
> LinguaPlone, but
> haven't been able to find what the specific issues
> are. Is there an
> IRC transcript that you could direct me to that might
> contain further
> information regarding that? The current blocking
> issues might be easy
> to mitigate.
>
> > I think we need to be honest with ourselves about
> the progress the Plone site has (or
> > has not) made over the last year or two
>
> I agree. I'll be more than happy to help get the
> Plone theming work
> completed.
>
> I've had trouble finding an up-to-date task list for
> what needs to be
> completed on the Plone work. Bugzilla's issues seem
> to apply to the
> old-2008 wgo refresh and not the latest refresh. If
> you could direct
> me to that, I'll be happy to help you finish the Plone
> work.
>
> Hope I can help,
> Jonathan (aka speedbreeze)
>
> [1]
> http://www.google.com/search?q=linguaplone&hl=en&prmdo=1&tbs=mbl:1&filter=0
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Paul Cutler
> <pcutler gnome org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 21:04 +0200, Murray Cumming
> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 11:54 +0200, Paul Cutler
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > There has been some discussion about switching
> away from Plone at
> >> > GUADEC
> >> > and a demo of the new site running in Wordpress
> was shown this week.
> >> > Our largest blocker has always been localization
> support and the demo
> >> > did include basic localization support.
>
> >>
> >> Hang on. This is rather brief. Does it just allow
> translated text to be
> >> entered, or can it show when, and where,
> translations need to be updated
> >> when the original text changes? Does it show how
> much of the site is
> >> translated for a language already? If it can't do
> this (and if it never
> >> will) then I don't see how it can be good enough
> for the long term.
> >>
>
> >
> > That's why we'll get a demo site up and compare and
> review. Even basic
> > localization support that doesn't address your
> concerns above is better
> > than what we have today on gnome.org (which is none)
> and I think we need
> > to be honest with ourselves about the progress the
> Plone site has (or
> > has not) made over the last year or two.
> >
> > Paul
>
> >
> >
> >
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