Re: wgo Status & Next Steps

[Ross Patterson <me rpatterson net>]

Carsten Senger <senger rehfisch de> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> Paul Cutler schrieb:
>> Hi all -
>>
>> Thanks for all the discussion last month regarding the wgo revamp, we got
>> quite the thread going.
>>
>> After all is said and done, if I read the thread correctly, I believe it's
>> best to continue our work on Plone and see if we can't see it through.  It
>> sounds like there are still a number of volunteers working on it, in
>> addition to Andreas & Vinicius working on some short term fixes in HTML for
>> the current site.  (There are logs of bugs in Bugzilla if anyone wants to
>> help on the HTML stuff in the short term!)
>>
>> After reading through all of the emails, looking at open bugs in the
>> gnome-web Bugzilla under beta, and reviewing
>> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsSetup, I'd like to try and update that
>> wiki page with the current open items and see if there are any volunteers
>> who would like to work on them.
>>
>> Here is what I took away as a brief summary of next steps for wgo on Plone
>> (Please correct me where I'm wrong):
>>
>> * We need to find a volunteer to host a test instance of wgo on Plone
>> (similar to what Ramon had a couple years ago) - Jen Kleins mentioned in an
>> email 27APR09 that David, who runs Plone-Hostings in France might be
>> interested.   Jens, can you put David in touch with me or us on the list?
>
> I had set up a test site like I announced in the last thread:
>
>   I installed a public site so people can have a look. It's available
>   at http://gnome.rehfisch.de. Until the dns record has propagates, it's
>   reachable through http://rehfisch.de:8090/gnome20090430_105004
>
>   It's build with the speedbreeze branch. username and password are
> admin'.
>
> Due to a name server errors the subdomain wasn't reachable, but it
> should be now. As it is build with speedbreeze's branch, Ross
> Patterson's changes to the document byline are not included.
> I can update the site regulary.
>
>> * http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsSetup needs to be updated with next
>> steps & action items - a few of the bugs I clicked through to Bugzilla that
>> are marked as open on this page are really closed.  (I'm willing to take
>> this on and re-write and maintain this page for action items once we have at
>> good feeling of what the next round of tasks are).
>
> We had used the page as an interims help cause bugzilla needed to be
> cleaned up. I've done that last year. Single Tasked should be removed
> from the wiki and moved to bugzilla. Only an overview of steps should
> be kept in the wiki. Bugzilla gives enough flexibility to group the
> tasks there.
>
> I have a good overview over the finished work and can help to get the
> tasks straight.
>
>> (Carsten Senger email 03APR09):
>>
>> * Clean up theme glitches, template work and customizations (such as
>> removing author from pages)
>> * Configuration for multilingual content
>
> This is the major topic that needs an experienced developer. With Ross
> and Jens we have two possible candidates. Sébastien also mentioned
> that he had worked with LinguaPlone already.
>
> The most recent description of the translation requirements is
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-October/msg00112.html
>
> I've never used LinguaPlone so this is a bit like reading tealeaves,
> but it seems that several of the "better don't go below" requirements
> are not easy and fast to implement in Plone. If that's the case we
> should drop or postpone them.
>
> Someone has to pick this up. Jens, Ross, Sébastien, what do you think?

I'm glad someone else has picked up LinguaPlone, thanks.  I'm still
available for doing tasks though my intention to work on the remaining
ticket that Carsten told me was ready has been delayed by my mail server
meltdown.  I hope to come back with a vengance tomorrow but I might not
get back to this project till next week due to the delays.

My larger concern, though, is that I'm carving out this volunteer time
(from the aether, of course :) when there's still debate about going
forward with Plone.  As much as possible, I'd like to have some
reasonable reassurance that this project will go forward before putting
more time in.  So I'll be watching the discussions with interest.  :)

Ross

>> * Update to Plone 3.3 (Jens Klein mentioned helping with this on 08APR09)
>> * Working content export / import from test system into staging system
>
> I'm with Jens for dropping that. The precedure that was described to
> get a test instance running was discouraging and getting the content
> out of the former Data.fs (Plone 2.5) wasn't easy. I wanted to
> circumvent that and had some code from a former project.
>
> But we are on Plone 3 now and working on the last open topics
> (translations and references) will consume to much time.
> It also introduces an additional requirement for the python installation.
> Can we get some space where I can upload a new Data.fs now or then?
> The wiki or svn are no good choices I think. I can easily upload it to
> my server, but I would prefere to push this into some gnome controlled
> space.
>
> I leave it in place to conveniently set up a sandbox (at least for me
> ;-) and remove it in some weeks.
>
>> (Jonathan Wilde 08APR09)
>>
>> * CSS complete (but is unorganized and undocumented)
>> * Cleanup needed - Jonathan is working on major cleanup of the stylesheets
>> in a new branch (wgo.theme/branches/speedbreeze)
>
> Jonathan, can you give some informations about the status of your
> theme work?
> Andreas, Vinicius and possibly others can help here so we can spread the
> open tasks.
>
>> With Murray's help, I'd like to understand who is working on (or interested
>> in) the Plone migration for wgo. 
>
> Well, last fall 3 people worked on the project: speedbreeze (theming),
> Sébastien Nicouleaud (mainpage, portlets, most of the rest) and me.
> From former plone teams people where either not available or had no
> time to participate.
> Some people offered their help. But at the beginning we did not have
> any overview what needs to be done so we could not handle these
> offers.
>
> In the last weeks these People offered concrete help:
>
> Jens W. Klein who reanimated the gnomeweb-plone activities.
> Ross Patterson took the initiative and fixed bugs in the last days.
> David Bain
> Tim Knapp (take some technical tasks, ...)
> Roberto Allende (take some technical tasks, ...)
> Johannes Raggam (thet) (take some technical tasks,...)
>
> Andreas Nilsson <nisses mail home se> and
> Vinicius Depizzol <vdepizzol gmail com>
> offered graphic and css work
>
> Stormy Peters for content review
>
>
>> I'd like to help in capturing the
>> remaining tasks, and I'll work on getting those in to Bugzilla and on lgo,
>> which might help in gaining additional volunteers if we have a clear goal of
>> what work needs to be done.  Jens had mentioned in an email that there are
>> at least 5 Plone volunteers working on this, and my hope would be that with
>> a little communication we can continue to push on together to make progress
>> on this.  
>
> I'm quite happy with this list as we have people with different skills
> and can get together the necessary tasks to share the work quickly.
>
> We have to move the open tasks from the wiki to bugzilla and add a lot
> of new. For the Plone side of things I can do this.
>
> Jens or Ross, it would be important if you can straighten these the
> task. I'm no project management person and have no experience in some
> of the outstanding topics. Also I've to care for to many things at the
> moment to promise enough work for wgo.
>
>
>> I have no idea if it's realistic or not yet, but I would love to
>> see a new website for the GNOME 3.0 launch next year.
>
> It depends on getting continuous contributions from all sides in the
> next few weeks tell that, but I'd love that too.
>
> ..Carsten