Hello, On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:45 +0200, Martin Lettner wrote: > Instead of creating a new engine we should focus on the 2 major > engines, clearlooks and murrine and maybe drop all the other old > bad-looking engines. I do not agree with this. Yes, the other engines are "second class" but I really like the idea of having a variety of unique themes. I do think that there is a place for eg. Crux and Industrial in the future and that it is a good idea to also ship eg. a pink theme. By having a diverse set of themes most people will be able to find one that works well for them. At the same time we can show that a lot is possible and hopefully people will enjoy browsing the themes. > And someone finally should support the active developer who made > clearlooks and murrine that powerful and beautiful: Cimi. Yes, Andrea has done some great work, but as everyone else he is standing on the shoulders of giants. ;-) > These 2 engines offer enough to create wonderful clean themes. The > RGBA thing, which IS working, should be default for 3.0. Then we would > have nice unobtrusive transparency effects on all gtk windows. > Please someone look into getting those gtk-engines into the next > level. They already have so many features and only some themes are > using them. The RGBA-update would totally fit the 3.0 plans I think. There are some rather intrusive plans for GTK+ 3.0. This will require a lot of work, but if done right will bring the current theming system to the next level. However we will need a lot of *coding* help on this area. [1] > If there would be a really simple theme modifying tool, [...] gnome-color-chooser is a step in this direction. > [...], users could easily make some changes to the theme. I think > about having a light and a dark default theme, just 2 perfect, totally > bug free themes. They are let's say blue by default, but since there > is a totally simple way of changing the main color of the theme the > user just picks let's say a nice green (preconfigured values for blue, > red, green, pink, violet, yellow,... maybe the tango colors; BTW: > whats up with the color-scheme-chooser?). As easy of changing the main > color, there could be a few options for paddings and icon sizes, just > thin/normal/wide, small/normal or something. So you could build your > theme with a few clicks, and because of a clean coded theme and just > some global settings the individual theme would look perfect in every > application. Also the used engine could be changed from here since the > same settings should work on clearlooks, inverted and murrine. > If somebody likes that idea I can make mockups for that. All of that > is really easy to implement since everything is already there... I think that as a first step would should simply add support to ship colour schemes with themes. This would enable us to easily ship a dark theme for GNOME. Then I would like to add a smaller and larger version of Clearlooks to the default set of themes. [2] In the long run resolution independence and support for a scaling factor would be what I want instead, but that requires changes in GTK+ that may only be ready for GTK+ 3.0. > Hmm I would also like to help out with any work on gnome (ideas, > website,....) since I have quiet some experience, study > mediatechnology and mediadesign and I really love gnome! Great to hear! Benjamin [1] http://live.gnome.org/GTK+/NewThemeApi [2] Small for low resolution screens, large for high resolution screens or older people that may not have such a good sight and/or have a harder time controlling the mouse.
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