Re: Please save vertical space!

Sorry for top posting, but that's the way the conversation is going..

I wanted to say that I don know where the menus are going to fit in the Panel if you have extensions (see screenshot below):

panel screenshot

(not sure if the list will remove it, hereś a link if it does :

I know there is room on the left, but that may change if I find another extension I like for example, also in small screens (netbook) that room would no longer exist.

I do find the idea of using the application's title bar interesting though, I'd just prefer is staying even when in fullscreen (with the menus in it like one mockup shows).  If the menus are move to the titlebar then we already save space. The panel is something that is aways shown, so putting things that you always see/often need (extensions) is more useful than menus...


On 11/19/2011 10:29 AM, Donato Marrazzo wrote:
Hello Gavin, thank you for reporting Florian comments.
I'm happy they are considering removing the title bar...
About the top bar, I think that it's too poor of capabilities, it's a wasted space...

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Gavin Engel <gavin engel com> wrote:

There was a recent discussion about titlebars, and Florian Mullner gave some amazing comments on the topic.  I will quote him, because it sounds like it may be something you are asking about.  At the bottom of this quote he gave links to 2 great mockup pages.  (Hopefully he doesn't mind me doing this...)

Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:14 AM

On vie, 2011-10-07 at 09:43 +0200, Aurélien Naldi wrote:
> some personal thoughts:
> * The title bar IS too large by default, reducing its size using
gnome-tweak-tool helps
Note that the default size has been decreased in 3.2

> * I LOVE the fact that unity hides the title bar for maximized windows
> and I think gnome-shell should do something similar.
It is something that designers are considering. There are still a lot of
open questions, but I think it's fairly safe to say that we won't
"merge" the titlebar with the top bar as Unity does (e.g. window
controls won't appear in the top bar), but rather hide it completely.

> * As the main focus was about the menu bar, I have to say that I like
> the unity behaviour for maximized windows, but I hate it for other
> wondows, having to make sure the right one is focussed and move to the
> top is cumbersome.
I don't think we want to do that, except for "global" application
options which should appear in the application menu (the one with the
lonely "quit" action). In fact, there's the feeling that many
applications could do without a menu bar to begin with (obviously not
LibreOffice/Gimp, but pretty much anything "less complex")[0][1]

> As a result here is what I would love in gnome-shell:
> [...]
> * merge the menu bar into the title bar: we get pretty much the same
> behaviour as unity for maximized windows, but something much more sane
> for other windows.
This has the potential of reducing the draggable titlebar area to zero,
so I don't think it is a very compelling option :-)
However, if an application's menu "bar" is reduced to a single toolbar
button (similar to the menu buttons found in Firefox/Chromium), it might
indeed make sense to move it into the titlebar (ignoring for a moment
that it would be far from trivial to implement it).


On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Malcolm <malcolm_lewis bellsouth net> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:39:09 +0100
Donato Marrazzo
<donato marrazzo gmail com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, in the last years notebook adopted 16/9 ratio for their
> displays: it seems that the primary job for a laptop is watching
> movie!!! What a shame!
Have you tried the F11 key, that's what I use on my netbook?

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