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Re: Unity-Style Menu

Thanks for the responses.

After reading through�https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu�and�https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus�it seems as though they are working toward what will be a fairly ideal solution, that is to have global menu actions available from the AppMenu icon and local menu options available from some type of less intrusive local menu. I do like the Firefox/Chrome style menu integration, as well as the MegaMenus. I do hope they move to at least one of those options for the local menu, as they seem to be the best choice for screen real-estate. I also like the context-specific options.

I wonder, though, how many users will complain about having both a global menu and a local menu for each program.

Thanks for the thoughtful responses and good links!

Namaste.

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� 1. Unity-Style Menu (Matthew Planchard)
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� 3. Re: Unity-Style Menu (Adam Tauno Williams)
� 4. Re: Unity-Style Menu (Florian M?llner)
� 5. Re: Unity-Style Menu (Reiner Jung)
� 6. Re: Unity-Style Menu (David Prieto)
� 7. Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar? (Denys Vlasenko)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:47:25 -0500
From: Matthew Planchard <msplanchard gmail com>
To: gnome-shell-list gnome org
Subject: Unity-Style Menu
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Hi All,

First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell. It was
definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very intuitive. In
fact, I recently installed Ubuntu Natty Narwhal to try out their new Unity
interface, and I found it to be slow, clunky, and poorly integrated in
comparison to Gnome3. The combination Expose/Dash feature is probably my
favorite thing, and I just discovered that you can switch between windows of
an open program with Alt+(key above tab), which fixes my long-standing
annoyance that I couldn't just switch between menus of an open program.

My time piddling about in Unity, though, has brought an idea to mind, which
I wanted to share with you. One of the cooler features they have is the
integration of the menu into the top bar. It gives the user more screen
space and recognizes that generally, no one needs to see the menus unless
they need to. However, they put the menus into the top bar in a fashion
whereby when the user hovers over the application title, all menu options
appear on the top bar, sometimes replacing other useful information.

My idea is that since Gnome3 already has a clickable application icon on the
top bar that opens a menu with a "close" option, why not just go ahead and
insert the entire program menu? This would increase visible screen space for
the users, while providing an intuitive way to access the program menus. In
fact, when I first saw the icon along the top, I thought that is what it
would do.

So, it's just an idea, and I cannot imagine that it has not occurred to you
previously, but I wanted to put it out there anyway. I think it would be a
really fantastic idea.

Thanks again for a fantastic desktop. I look forward to future updates.

Namaste.
Matt

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:48:40 +0200
From: David Prieto <frandavid100 gmail com>
To: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk redhat com>
Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar?
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That way they are much bigger, and thus easier to reach.

Hey, that one was easy :-D
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 11:03:32 -0400
From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam whitemice org>
To: gnome-shell-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu
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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:47 -0500, Matthew Planchard wrote:
> First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell.

Me too.

> �It was definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very
> intuitive.

Same experience.

> feature is probably my favorite thing, and I just discovered that you
> can switch between windows of an open program with Alt+(key above
> tab), which fixes my long-standing annoyance that I couldn't just

I just learned about that yesterday; it does rock.

> My time piddling about in Unity, though, has brought an idea to mind,
> which I wanted to share with you. One of the cooler features they have
> is the integration of the menu into the top bar. It gives the user
> more screen space and recognizes that generally, no one needs to see
> the menus unless they need to.

Someone brings this up on this list almost every week [app menus in the
top bar].

Personally I hope this *never* happens. �It just puts the menu further
away from the data. �In a limited environment [like a tablet] all apps
run maximized / full-screen anyway. So there is no win for anybody.




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 17:06:33 +0200
From: Florian M?llner <fmuellner gnome org>
To: gnome-shell-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu
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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:47 -0500, Matthew Planchard wrote:
> My idea is that since Gnome3 already has a clickable application icon
> on the top bar that opens a menu with a "close" option, why not just
> go ahead and insert the entire program menu? This would increase
> visible screen space for the users, while providing an intuitive way
> to access the program menus. In fact, when I first saw the icon along
> the top, I thought that is what it would do.

At least for the time being, the plan is to add actions which affect the
application as a whole (e.g. Preferences, Help, ...) there, not the
entire menu - actions which only apply to a specific window/document
should not move.

There are some efforts on the design side though to come up with a
replacement for menu bars (think "menu button" in Firefox/Chromium).
See https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus for reference.

Florian



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 17:00:33 +0200
From: Reiner Jung <prefec2 web de>
To: gnome-shell-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu
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Hi Matthew

if I am not completely mistaken, this has been discussed and rejected
several times on this list.

However, if there would be a voting for such feature. I would go for
this topbar menu thing.

I for myself run Gnome3 at home and unity on my business machine. And at
the beginning they both were annoying. However, I learned to work with
them and now I like both to some degree. Some things are really neat in
GnomeShell and some are really good in Unity.

Greetz
�Reiner

BTW: App indicators are also a nice idea. And I hope the Gnome-folks
would look into it.

On 05/06/2011 04:47 PM, Matthew Planchard wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell. It was
> definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very intuitive. In
> fact, I recently installed Ubuntu Natty Narwhal to try out their new
> Unity interface, and I found it to be slow, clunky, and poorly
> integrated in comparison to Gnome3. The combination Expose/Dash feature
> is probably my favorite thing, and I just discovered that you can switch
> between windows of an open program with Alt+(key above tab), which fixes
> my long-standing annoyance that I couldn't just switch between menus of
> an open program.
>
> My time piddling about in Unity, though, has brought an idea to mind,
> which I wanted to share with you. One of the cooler features they have
> is the integration of the menu into the top bar. It gives the user more
> screen space and recognizes that generally, no one needs to see the
> menus unless they need to. However, they put the menus into the top bar
> in a fashion whereby when the user hovers over the application title,
> all menu options appear on the top bar, sometimes replacing other useful
> information.
>
> My idea is that since Gnome3 already has a clickable application icon on
> the top bar that opens a menu with a "close" option, why not just go
> ahead and insert the entire program menu? This would increase visible
> screen space for the users, while providing an intuitive way to access
> the program menus. In fact, when I first saw the icon along the top, I
> thought that is what it would do.
>
> So, it's just an idea, and I cannot imagine that it has not occurred to
> you previously, but I wanted to put it out there anyway. I think it
> would be a really fantastic idea.
>
> Thanks again for a fantastic desktop. I look forward to future updates.
>
> Namaste.
> Matt
>
> --
> Take a few minutes just to sit and breathe.
> The world will wait for you.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:37:52 +0200
From: David Prieto <frandavid100 gmail com>
To: Florian M?llner <fmuellner gnome org>
Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=vjK0Xv0Zy_ifCfzoF4D9NR1ctzw mail gmail com>
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Florian,

There are some efforts on the design side though to come up with a
> replacement for menu bars (think "menu button" in Firefox/Chromium).
> See https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus for reference.
>

Wow, the mega menus<http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/raw/master/mockups/menu-experiments/eog-menu-experiments.png>really
do look great. I would like to have something like that on the
titlebar, open it by pressing Alt, open it on a specific column by pressing
Alt+key. Same functionality we have today, without the wasted space and the
bad looks.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 17:48:16 +0200
From: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk redhat com>
To: Justin Edwards <justin telelanguage com>
Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar?
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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 10:02 -0500, Justin Edwards wrote:
> Why why why why. Rtfm and stop trolling.

I already read the said manual.
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