- From: Bryan Clark <clarkbw gnome org>
- To: gnome-shell-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: one-panel-approach
- Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:31:39 -0700
2009/4/14 Dušan Maliarik <dusan maliarik gmail com>
I think it's not healthy to develop plugin/applet API in time where you don't have any UI in finished state. Not even basic ideas and outlines tested with ordinary users. So please, try to improve whole idea, try to introduce Users to gnome-shell, tell them to use it for a month and then write some summary of how it goes.
I understand how excited by this thing you are, but if you want to redefine desktop, get rid of gnome-panel, you have to think/test/innovate a bit more. imho
If this is aimed at Gnome 3, and all you can comeup is basically expose of workspaces with flat vetrtical list of applications/documents on the side, with basically the same old panel on the top... that's not much.
Maybe the best thing that we could do, is to stop coding, and start thinking. Suck some ideas from MacOS, from Gnome-Do, and maybe forgotten app, but with excellent idea - Gimme.
Make a flat list of all the good ideas, and think alot of how they could work together. I don't like gnome-shell mockups not because of their terrible aesthetics, but becasue I can clearly see that this is not going to work in long term. With current state of designs, it is gonna be just another short time experiment. It doesn't innovate in any way, it just tries to go mainstream by replacing gnome-panel in next Gnome. But it's much of improvement.
I can see that you're very interested in gnome 3 and are
concerned about what it will become; it's good to see people really
invested and worried about the future of Gnome.
I'm a bit
unclear what your intentions or motivations are. What I'm reading from
your message is that you feel gnome-shell is in too much of an early
state to begin creating an API or taking over existing gnome desktops.
I'm pretty sure that most people would heartily agree with that
sentiment as gnome-shell is in it's infancy and so isn't likely to
replace existing desktops soon, if at all. I think it can, even at
this early stage, be a prototype desktop that is available with gnome
to get new ideas into the hands of users.
MacOS, Gnome-Do, and Gimme all have lots of great qualities that
could really make a desktop of the future worthwhile. It would be
great if you put some of those valuable pieces you see into
gnome-shell. A list of great ideas is an excellent start but ideas are
also really cheap, here's my list:
* Sharks with lasers to protect my gnome-shell
* Gnome-shell controlled robots to get me coffeeIt's surprisingly quick to get gnome-shell up and running.
* Bolts of electricity that shock walters' keyboard every time the shell crashes
The truly difficult part, and I think you were hitting this dead
on, is to get prototypes into users hands and learn something. A month
might be a long turn around time, but I'm pretty sure you were just
throwing that out there as an example. My understanding is that part
of the vision of the gnome-shell is to shorten the developer turn
around time in order to make this easier.
Innovation, even if you take the word innovation as only meaning 'a
new way of doing things' can easily be found in gnome-shell.
Aesthetics aside I agree with you that gnome-shell isn't selling itself
through mockups as well as it could be right now, though (and I feel
bad for this) I'm not doing much to help them. I'm a slacker and have
only been moaning about how my nvidia card isn't agreeing with the
shell so at most I get to see outlines of applications instead of
actually seeing the changes I tried to make.
Some cool pieces I'd suggest looking at are the animations
framework as a core piece of the desktop experience, this is something
that is a step the existing GNOME desktop cannot easily (if at all)
take. I haven't played with it much yet but you can see pieces of it
I've been trying to add bits that will make AJAX like calls out to web
services so I can pull in GMail and Planet into the background with a
couple lines of code.
Grab me on IRC if you have prototypes you want to chat about. I'm
just making my way around the shell so I might not be as helpful as you
need but it seems we've both been thinking about GNOME future stuff for
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