Re: one-panel-approach

[Dušan Maliarik <dusan maliarik gmail com>]

I think it's not healthy to develop plugin/applet API in time where you don't have any UI in finished state. Not even basic ideas and outlines tested with ordinary users. So please, try to improve whole idea, try to introduce Users to gnome-shell, tell them to use it for a month and then write some summary of how it goes.

I understand how excited by this thing you are, but if you want to redefine desktop, get rid of gnome-panel, you have to think/test/innovate a bit more. imho

If this is aimed at Gnome 3, and all you can comeup is basically expose of workspaces with flat vetrtical list of applications/documents on the side, with basically the same old panel on the top... that's not much.

Maybe the best thing that we could do, is to stop coding, and start thinking. Suck some ideas from MacOS, from Gnome-Do, and maybe forgotten app, but with excellent idea - Gimme.

Make a flat list of all the good ideas, and think alot of how they could work together. I don't like gnome-shell mockups not because of their terrible aesthetics, but becasue I can clearly see that this is not going to work in long term. With current state of designs, it is gonna be just another short time experiment. It doesn't innovate in any way, it just tries to go mainstream by replacing gnome-panel in next Gnome. But it's much of improvement.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 09:28, Johannes Schmid <jhs jsschmid de> wrote:

Hi!

Am Montag, den 13.04.2009, 17:20 -0400 schrieb Feng Yu:

> Please at least give an option to leave that blank blank for other
> usages, If it is to be occupied by the task list.
>
> A plugin system like what we have in Gnome Panel would be really nice
> to defer the solution of the conflicts to the end users: every
> proposed usage can be implemented as a plugin.

Yes, I guess you are right. There is definitly the need to have a plugin
system for all kind of things (deskbar-applet, tomboy) and this could of
course also integrate the window chooser as a plugin. There was some
discussion about this on desktop-devel-list.

That would also mean that it should be possible to add a second "panel"
for those who want it and to be able to put the panel add other
positions (at least top and bottom).

I hope someone can start on such a plugin API soon because I guess lots
of people are willing to add plugins for gnome-shell.

Regards,
Johannes

> Yu
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Johannes Schmid <jhs jsschmid de>
> wrote:
>         Hi!
>
>         OK, finally I could test gnome-shell in real life a bit. Aside
>         from some
>         graphic problems which seem to be related to the intel driver
>         things
>         look pretty cool.
>
>         Anyway, I don't really like the tasklist as it is currently
>         because of
>         two reasons:
>         * It wastes a of space
>         * it doesn't really follow the gnome-shell design.
>
>         While the second is of course fixable the first is really
>         annoying. Of
>         course on your 22' display that doesn't matter much but
>         remember that
>         probably 60% of sold PCs are netbook/notebook that have
>         usually much
>         small displays.
>
>         I think that was suggested before but what about adding a
>         tasklist into
>         the empty besides the "Activities" button:
>         * Currently this space is really dead
>         * Cluttering the space with menus doesn't seem to be a good
>         idea
>         * using the whole area for icons neither
>         * the approach could be like the Ubuntu-Netbook Remix window
>         chooser
>         that just shows the title of the currently active window and
>         icons for
>         the other windows. That's pretty space saving.
>         * On bigger display that could also be a some kind of dynamic,
>         probably
>         showing the title of more than one window if there is enough
>         space.
>
>         Probably this idea needs some comments from a11y. I also think
>         it was
>         proposed before. Given that most of the code is already there
>         that
>         shouldn't be too difficult.
>
>         Regards,
>         Johannes
>
>
>
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