Re: strange session management stuff

[bbarnett L8R net]

On 01-Jul-99 Tom Gilbert wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 bbarnett@L8R.net wrote:
> 
>>
>>Heyo,
>>        I've just recently started to use gnome-session to start my
>>windowmanager, and everything, when I start up X.  The gnomecc is cool, but
>>there are a few things I don't quite understand.  I'm running debian potatoe,
>>and have (I would assume) very new versions of CVS gnome. 
>>
>>Anyhow, what I am really trying to avoid, is the annoying, and evil way that
>>when I quit x, and then log back into it, 1000 windows (not literally, just
>>seems that way ;) open ... such as xterms, and netscape, and other things I
>>don't want started when I log in.  Please don't suggest "But, its cool"...
>>its
>>not, I hate it ;)  To each their own.  Anyhow, on with the problem...
>>
>>In the gnome-docs, is shows a "gnome-session-applet" or some such.. with
>>picture and everything.  Now, in the newer version of gnome I'm using, the
>>session management has changed somewhat, or so it would seem.  The "session
>>manager" menu item in gnomecc has changed to "startup programs".  This is
>>where
>>the problem comes in...
>>
>>Every time I run a program, it gets added to the blasted "startup programs"
>>menu.  I don't want that.  I don't ever want that.  Ever.  I can't find a way
>>to prevent those programs from being added, and I want to run gnome-session
>>so
>>all the other cool stuff (the screensaver, the sounds, the panel, etc, is all
>>done at once).  In short, I want to run gnome, and be able to configure it as
>>I
>>like ;)  It looks like you used to be able to do that, from the picutres I
>>see
>>of the gnome-session in the user guide, but that functionalilty seems to have
>>disappeared.
>>
>>Am I doing something wrong?  Is there some part of gnome I'm missing?  I know
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Yes and yes.
> 
>>that the gnome-session-applet has been changed to "startup programs" in
>>gnomecc, because when I run it, up pops startup programs.  So what gives? 
>>How
>>can I stop this horrible gnome feature from annoying me 24 hours a day ;)
> 
> Are you closing the apps before exiting gnome?
> 
> When you start an app. It gets added to the session. This way, if you
> leave the app open, exit, then come back, the app will be relaunched. If
> you do not want the app to come back next login, *close* it before you log
> out. When you close an app, it is removed from the session. This is how a
> session manager is supposed to work, and in no way limits your choice.
> 

The annoying problem is, I use sudo a lot.  I have netscape running as another
user, I have x11amp (erm, xmms ;) running as another user, and so on.  The
problem is, when I restart X, it attempts to run those programs as THIS user. 
That's what's really causing the problem.  Also, its annoying to have things
like xterms start up, but with nothing in them.... sure, I had 10 xterms
running, when I was coding, and so on, but now they are all just empty xterms,
with nothing in them ;)

Anyhow, the whole point is, I don't want session management.  I do want to run
gnome-session, because it runs all the other gnome apps.  panel doesn't.  So
what do you do.. heh ;)  Is there a "everything but gnome-session" command that
you can run.. so that I can do everything I want with gnomecc and still not
have session management?

If not, then session-management should have an option to turn off session
management.. because its doing MORE than just managing sessions.  Its handling
communication between gnome apps, its lauching the rest of gnome, in short, you
don't get most of gnome's non-session management stuff unless you run the
session management.  And that's annoying.  

I guess I was just hoping there was a way to configure things the way I like ;)



> If 100 xterms open, you must have had 100 xterms open when you logged out!
> 
> Ok?






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