Re: Gento reports in bugzilla.gnome.org

[Kjartan Maraas <kmaraas broadpark no>]

ons, 09.07.2003 kl. 11.38 skrev Alastair Tse:
> On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 09:01, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
> > known to miscompile lots of different apps. Further on we've had
> > problems getting proper backtraces because you strip binaries even when
> > the user specifies -g in CFLAGS and so on.
> 
> Hi Kjartan,
> 
> There is a feature to turn off stripping by setting FEATURES="nostrip"
> or adding it to their FEATURES line in /etc/make.conf. Normally, for
> development packages, we enable debugging and disable stripping by
> default. This is on a per-package basis, mainly for development packages
> such as epiphany, gnumeric-1.1.x, etc.

That's good to hear. I'll make sure to have people disable stripping
when we need backtraces, but it's definitely a problem for the user to
recompile from glib up because we need backtraces. Not sure there's a
way around that though.
> 
> On our bugzilla, we request all users to paste the output of "emerge
> info" which contains all the relevant compiler flags, gcc version and
> glibc versions that the user has set. This may be useful when you
> encounter Gentoo users with suspicious problems.
> 
Got links to relevant info that we can point them to?

> No matter how many warnings we put, we still get users that come around
> with outrageous CFLAGS who are asking for it. We find that optimisation
> problems are processor and gcc version specific. For instance, we give
> big warnings about not using -march=penitum4 because of optimisation
> problems with gcc-3.2.x.
> 
Do you use -O3 by default or is this also a decision made by the user?

> > What I'd like is for you guys to register this e-mail address in
> > bugzilla.gnome.org so we can Cc: you when we think this is a problem
> > with your packages so we can get some constructive discussion going. I
> > think this would help make both our products better in the long run.
> 
> I believe such an account has been registered now. I believe this is a
> good idea so we get an sample on the problems that maybe arising and not
> being reporting on bugs.gentoo.org. I hope we can work more closely and
> help nail down some Gentoo specific problems. 
> 
Thanks a lot. I think we got off to a constructive start on these issues
and I'll do what I can to keep it that way :)

> I would probably say Gentoo users would typically be prominent given the
> fact that we stick very close to library and application releases and
> thus bugs being reported earlier than any other distribution. I hope
> that GNOME developers can take advantage of that rather than being
> suspicious of them. Although I know how frustrating it is chasing down
> bogus bugs :(
> 
No kidding. As long as we get some two way comminication this can only
benefit both projects I think. We're always eager to get testers for the
newest releases, but we need to keep the signal to noise ration at a
workable level.

> Thanks for your email.
> 
Same to you.

Cheers
Kjartan