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Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

Hi Dwain,
my only intention for printing was to have a "first sight" on a printout of my script to make layout corretions, not to get a first-class product on high qualitiy paper. (not on a 115g / m² paper :-) I told my printer beforehand what I'm  wanting but he finally surprised me with with an exorbital price. 
But at least I negotiated and paid for the low-price-version.
I just wrote to the forum to inform others that choosing "automatic" text may cause unexpeted high-end-costs 

Have a fine day!

Konrad

Am 19.05.2019 um 16:34 schrieb Dwain Alford:

hi konrad,
2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price have been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there any color images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as well as text set to black, then the color increased the price and also caused a double print session, one (plate) for the color and one (plate) for the text. btw, did you ask for an estimate on the cost of the job when you took the manuscript to the printer? finally, in most software, the text color default is automatic. maybe you might want to check your text color settings before your next printing job and get an estimate before the job is printed. that way, there are no surprises on your end.
scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with an inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer will help you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work within their workflow. 

cheers,
dwain
On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs <konrad bauersachs t-online de <mailto:konrad bauersachs t-online de>> wrote: 

    Hi Uwe,

    I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf  there
    could be
    a problem:
    Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black"
    and NOT
    "automatically".
    If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used.
    "Automatically"
    means that
    black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack
    when my
    copy-shop
    demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.

    Best regards

    Konrad


    Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:
    > uwe, et. al.,
    > one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
    > proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to
    subscribe to
    > the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users
    along with
    > the developers ready to help resolve design problems with
    accurate how-to
    > information, just like on this list.
    >
    > best,
    > dwain
    >
    > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski
    <uwesassnowski web de <mailto:uwesassnowski web de>> wrote:
    >
    >> Hello Jehan and Dwain,
    >>
    >> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes
    realy
    >> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had
    some program
    >> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps
    :)) and
    >> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is
    easy to
    >> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program
    to make our
    >> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good.
    It will
    >> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I
    hope that
    >> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling,
    they are
    >> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you
    again! Nice to
    >> have such professional help!
    >>
    >>
    >> With best regards,
    >> Uwe
    >> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:
    >>
    >> john and uwe,
    >> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
    >> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which
    produces
    >> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that
    handles the job of
    >> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat
    package that a
    >> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your
    design.
    >>
    >> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that
    is "print
    >> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw
    driver to try
    >> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate
    tool for the
    >> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page,
    inkscape is a
    >> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a
    good program
    >> to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow
    you to import
    >> text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice);
    it will
    >> also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic)
    image or an
    >> adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain
    illy files
    >> after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed,
    illustrator will
    >> convert your image to the .svg format for importation.
    >>
    >> for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.)
    to size,
    >> color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
    >> illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector
    drawings and
    >> usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more
    information than
    >> jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif
    files for this
    >> reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign,
    quark express,
    >> etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of
    producing a
    >> print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.
    >>
    >> i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most
    important.
    >> most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for
    different types
    >> of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art
    print would
    >> be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed
    at 75-80
    >> dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually
    use 300 dpi
    >> for raster images and size the image according to the size i
    want to
    >> produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi,
    >> depending on the program i use to produce them.
    >>
    >> scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the
    program
    >> can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi
    image
    >> enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on
    the paper.
    >> there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus
    pdf file.
    >> since adobe is the "industry standard" software they calibrate
    their
    >> printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as their
    standard
    >> software. in this case, you can provide a native file with
    accompanying
    >> fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where i use corel
    draw, i
    >> will convert text to curves so i don't have to provide fonts to the
    >> printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to print from a
    pdf. i have
    >> run across one that didn't understand that he didn't have to
    import my pdf
    >> into draw to print it. i guess he didn't know he could print
    from a pdf
    >> viewer to his chosen printer. but i digress. a page layout
    program is also
    >> a type setter. you can kern letters and paragraphs for
    "readability". i'm
    >> sure you have seen where some of your letters in a particular
    font will
    >> look closer together than other letters when printed. although
    raster and
    >> vector programs have the same capability, page layout programs
    do it
    >> better, because that's how they are designed.
    >>
    >> color management is key to the whole process, but that's another
    >> conversation all together.
    >>
    >> hope this helps.
    >>
    >> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:49 AM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list <
    >> gimp-user-list gnome org <mailto:gimp-user-list gnome org>> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Hi!
    >>>
    >>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM Uwe Sassnowski
    <uwesassnowski web de <mailto:uwesassnowski web de>>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Hello,
    >>>>
    >>>> I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text
    levels /
    >>>> layers. Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and
    >>> exported it
    >>>> to pdf. I sent the pdf to the printing company for printing.
    The print
    >>> was
    >>>> not in a perfect quality. The printing company told us that they
    >>> normally
    >>>> get pdf's from their clients where they can make changes to
    improve the
    >>>> quality. I tried to export to pdf without combining all
    layers. But then
    >>>> all texts are changed in format. I can create pictures from
    the text
    >>>> layers. But then I and the printing company cannot go into
    the text
    >>>> anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all single pictures
    and texts
    >>>> without combining all layers so that the printing company can
    touch all
    >>>> pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?
    >>>>
    >>> I can't remember if our implementation for PDF export
    rasterize text or
    >>> not. In any case, if you want to lay out various items and similar
    >>> activities common for printed objects, I would suggest to use
    Inkscape
    >>> and/or Scribus. I mean: you can still use GIMP for obviously
    raster parts
    >>> (drawing, photographs, etc.). But when it comes to complex
    designs,
    >>> Inkscape may be the most appropriate tool. And if you have
    objects to set
    >>> precisely on your page, Scribus may be better suited (it won't
    do that
    >>> much
    >>> more than what Inkscape does, simply it's rather *how* it does
    it which
    >>> may
    >>> make it much more straightforward when you think in term of
    print).
    >>>
    >>> Now GIMP can also work very fine, even if you have texts. But
    then you
    >>> have
    >>> to understand well the printing process to provide a perfect
    raster object
    >>> to the printshop and not expect them to edit it (we certainly
    don't want
    >>> printshops to edit our designs in fact!).
    >>>
    >>> Jehan
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> With best regards,
    >>>> Uwe
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