hi konrad,
2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price
have been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there
any color images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as
well as text set to black, then the color increased the price and
also caused a double print session, one (plate) for the color and one
(plate) for the text. btw, did you ask for an estimate on the cost of
the job when you took the manuscript to the printer? finally, in most
software, the text color default is automatic. maybe you might want
to check your text color settings before your next printing job and
get an estimate before the job is printed. that way, there are no
surprises on your end.
scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf
export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with
an inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer
will help you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work
within their workflow.
cheers,
dwain
On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs
<konrad bauersachs t-online de
<mailto:konrad bauersachs t-online de>> wrote:
Hi Uwe,
I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf there
could be
a problem:
Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black"
and NOT
"automatically".
If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used.
"Automatically"
means that
black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack
when my
copy-shop
demanded about 200 Euros for a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.
Best regards
Konrad
Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:
> uwe, et. al.,
> one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
> proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to
subscribe to
> the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users
along with
> the developers ready to help resolve design problems with
accurate how-to
> information, just like on this list.
>
> best,
> dwain
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski
<uwesassnowski web de <mailto:uwesassnowski web de>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jehan and Dwain,
>>
>> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this
makes realy
>> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had
some program
>> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first
steps :)) and
>> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it
is easy to
>> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct
program to make our
>> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy
good. It will
>> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp.
I hope that
>> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling,
they are
>> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you
again! Nice to
>> have such professional help!
>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Uwe
>> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:
>>
>> john and uwe,
>> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel)
based
>> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program
which produces
>> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that
handles the job of
>> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat
package that a
>> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your
design.
>>
>> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that
is "print
>> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw
driver to try
>> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate
tool for the
>> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page,
inkscape is a
>> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a
good program
>> to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow
you to import
>> text from an open document format (open office or
libreoffice); it will
>> also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic)
image or an
>> adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain
illy files
>> after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed,
illustrator will
>> convert your image to the .svg format for importation.
>>
>> for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop,
etc.) to size,
>> color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
>> illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector
drawings and
>> usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more
information than
>> jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif
files for this
>> reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign,
quark express,
>> etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of
producing a
>> print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.
>>
>> i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is
most important.
>> most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for
different types
>> of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art
print would
>> be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed
at 75-80
>> dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually
use 300 dpi
>> for raster images and size the image according to the size i
want to
>> produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi,
>> depending on the program i use to produce them.
>>
>> scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and
the program
>> can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi
image
>> enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on
the paper.
>> there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus
pdf file.
>> since adobe is the "industry standard" software they calibrate
their
>> printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as their
standard
>> software. in this case, you can provide a native file with
accompanying
>> fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where i use
corel draw, i
>> will convert text to curves so i don't have to provide fonts
to the
>> printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to print from a
pdf. i have
>> run across one that didn't understand that he didn't have to
import my pdf
>> into draw to print it. i guess he didn't know he could print
from a pdf
>> viewer to his chosen printer. but i digress. a page layout
program is also
>> a type setter. you can kern letters and paragraphs for
"readability". i'm
>> sure you have seen where some of your letters in a particular
font will
>> look closer together than other letters when printed. although
raster and
>> vector programs have the same capability, page layout programs
do it
>> better, because that's how they are designed.
>>
>> color management is key to the whole process, but that's another
>> conversation all together.
>>
>> hope this helps.
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:49 AM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list <
>> gimp-user-list gnome org <mailto:gimp-user-list gnome org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM Uwe Sassnowski
<uwesassnowski web de <mailto:uwesassnowski web de>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text
levels /
>>>> layers. Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and
>>> exported it
>>>> to pdf. I sent the pdf to the printing company for printing.
The print
>>> was
>>>> not in a perfect quality. The printing company told us that they
>>> normally
>>>> get pdf's from their clients where they can make changes to
improve the
>>>> quality. I tried to export to pdf without combining all
layers. But then
>>>> all texts are changed in format. I can create pictures from
the text
>>>> layers. But then I and the printing company cannot go into
the text
>>>> anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all single pictures
and texts
>>>> without combining all layers so that the printing company
can touch all
>>>> pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?
>>>>
>>> I can't remember if our implementation for PDF export
rasterize text or
>>> not. In any case, if you want to lay out various items and
similar
>>> activities common for printed objects, I would suggest to use
Inkscape
>>> and/or Scribus. I mean: you can still use GIMP for obviously
raster parts
>>> (drawing, photographs, etc.). But when it comes to complex
designs,
>>> Inkscape may be the most appropriate tool. And if you have
objects to set
>>> precisely on your page, Scribus may be better suited (it
won't do that
>>> much
>>> more than what Inkscape does, simply it's rather *how* it
does it which
>>> may
>>> make it much more straightforward when you think in term of
print).
>>>
>>> Now GIMP can also work very fine, even if you have texts. But
then you
>>> have
>>> to understand well the printing process to provide a perfect
raster object
>>> to the printshop and not expect them to edit it (we certainly
don't want
>>> printshops to edit our designs in fact!).
>>>
>>> Jehan
>>>
>>>
>>>> With best regards,
>>>> Uwe
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